2022 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 29 - 31

[saviour stivala]

Mercedes has been experimenting since the start of the season and that is what they will end up doing this season. The sooner they start designing a new car the sooner they will have some sort of chance to improve. Because no matter the claim how good their driver line-up is, without a car that can run at the front non of their drivers are going to be running at the front unless any of the four front runners are out of the race.

[Mchamilton]

Thats odd, the weather for Sunday looks pretty good, with only Saturday looking wet at current. Clutching at straws for the poor show they put on today more than likely and blaming the weather 2 days ahead. #PR63

https://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing ... spx?sday=2

He doesn't necessarily say rain on Sunday, just different weather conditions. I would say a forecasted high temperature of 9-10 degrees C less than today would be a drastic difference.

Also completely different to what Shovlin said in interviews:

Shovs interview with sky he said they're tried setup changes that didnt work in fp2. The team felt they were reasonably competitive in fp1 and that they were expected wet weather tomorrow and cooler weather Sunday so I didn't matter so much anyway.

[Just_a_fan]

We could be seeing these times looking out of place due to cars being setup expecting a wet track.

Maybe things will be more status quo come tomorrow

This is pretty much exactly what Russell indicated after FP2. Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Although he agreed it was not a smooth day for Mercedes, Russell explained that the team experimented a bit to try and get to the bottom of its struggles given the expecting rain on Saturday.

"The conditions for Sunday are going to be drastically different, so we were trying quite a few things with the car, using it as a bit of a test session because to be honest," Russell said.

"You can try and optimise a few things for today, but there's no use of that, it's all for the rest of the weekend.

"Even though it was a very tough day, I think it's been a productive one."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hami ... /10345303/

Thats odd, the weather for Sunday looks pretty good, with only Saturday looking wet at current. Clutching at straws for the poor show they put on today more than likely and blaming the weather 2 days ahead. #PR63

https://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing ... spx?sday=2

It's not clutching at straws if they say "we tried some things and they didn't work". It's being honest.

If they think the weather this afternoon isn't representative of the important part of the weekend, then trying stuff in order to get a feel for what those things do to the car is a good use of time. Maybe they are wrong about the weather, but it doesn't change the fact that they deliberately tried things and they didn't work. Nor does it change the fact that they have been honest about it.

You know sometimes you could post something that isn't just a little dig at Mercedes or their drivers.

[LM10]

Merc fans (who thought they will be the strongest here) : Mercedes is sandbagging .......

Literally, nobody thought that about this race.

The next race however is where the tables may very well turn.

Nothing will change. But you’re free to think that some teams have been cheating with fancy illegal floors and will suddenly lose a second to Mercedes come next race.

On a side note, Ferrari brought a new floor to the last race and it’s reasonable to think that they will not come up with a new floor at the next race again. Especially in times of a budget cap.

[deadhead]

Andrew Shovlin:

"Whilst we’re disappointed with the pace in the afternoon, we’ve hopefully picked up some useful learning over the day."

https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/2 ... e-russell/

Obviously bluffing

[Just_a_fan]

Merc fans (who thought they will be the strongest here) : Mercedes is sandbagging .......

Literally, nobody thought that about this race.

The next race however is where the tables may very well turn.

Nothing will change. But you’re free to think that some teams have been cheating with fancy illegal floors and will suddenly lose a second to Mercedes come next race.

On a side note, Ferrari brought a new floor to the last race and it’s reasonable to think that they will not come up with a new floor at the next race again. Especially in times of a budget cap.

I think the suggestion about the next race is because it is rumoured that Mercedes will have a big upgrade package and a new spec of PU that will allow them to run it fully rather than their current situation where they can't reliably run it to its full performance.

But, as said, it's all rumours at the moment.

[LM10]

Literally, nobody thought that about this race.

The next race however is where the tables may very well turn.

Nothing will change. But you’re free to think that some teams have been cheating with fancy illegal floors and will suddenly lose a second to Mercedes come next race.

On a side note, Ferrari brought a new floor to the last race and it’s reasonable to think that they will not come up with a new floor at the next race again. Especially in times of a budget cap.

I think the suggestion about the next race is because it is rumoured that Mercedes will have a big upgrade package and a new spec of PU that will allow them to run it fully rather than their current situation where they can't reliably run it to its full performance.

But, as said, it's all rumours at the moment.

Given the history of the posts of that poster I’m 100% sure that he’s referring to the supposed illegal floors.

[Chuckjr]

I think the tell tail for the W13 is how it is fastest in one or two corners, but a pig in the rest. Renders the sweet spot is unsustainable. The car is incorrigible.

Ferrari looks untouchable, but I’ve no confidence in their reliability. Sainz should pounce right now while Leclerc is having his issues. Now’s the time to take advantage before Leclerc recovers and regains confidence. Hit him while he’s down, and it will make Leclerc’s recovery all the tougher to come by. Play to win Sainz. Sainz won’t get another chance as Leclerc will recover if he ever hopes to be championship material. He’s not shown enough of that yet, but neither have really, so it’s still up for grabs in Maranello me thinks.

Red Bull will be there to gather whatever Ferrari throws away. Max should concentrate on points and simply taking advantage of the mistakes coming what seems to be every race from the Reds. He’ll likely lift the trophy at the end of the year bar any disasters. I’m still confident Perez will deliver better results but his getting caught with his pants down by Russell last week was inexcusable.

I see Merc fighting with Fred initially but Alpines pace just seems to die as the race wears on. They need to correct that.

Norris maybe slightly faster than Ocon or Merc, but can he hold position? I hope Macca updates work.

Caption obvious says if quail is rainy expect cars that were unstable in the dry to be even more unstable in the wet.

[deadhead]

Ferrari looks untouchable, but I’ve no confidence in their reliability. Sainz should pounce right now while Leclerc is having his issues. Now’s the time to take advantage before Leclerc recovers and regains confidence. Hit him while he’s down, and it will make Leclerc’s recovery all the tougher to come by. Play to win Sainz. Sainz won’t get another chance as Leclerc will recover if he ever hopes to be championship material. He’s not shown enough of that yet, but neither have really, so it’s still up for grabs in Maranello me thinks.

Austria trough Singapore are all Sainz tracks based on previous results so he should be close to LEC regardless if LEC is down or not. Hungary is one of LECs weakest tracks...

[Chuckjr]

Ferrari looks untouchable, but I’ve no confidence in their reliability. Sainz should pounce right now while Leclerc is having his issues. Now’s the time to take advantage before Leclerc recovers and regains confidence. Hit him while he’s down, and it will make Leclerc’s recovery all the tougher to come by. Play to win Sainz. Sainz won’t get another chance as Leclerc will recover if he ever hopes to be championship material. He’s not shown enough of that yet, but neither have really, so it’s still up for grabs in Maranello me thinks.

Austria trough Singapore are all Sainz tracks based on previous results so he should be close to LEC regardless if LEC is down or not. Hungary is one of LECs weakest tracks...

Right on. Good to know. I always appreciate comments from the folks here that know the detailed history of all the drivers. Cheers-

[ringo]

Noris for the win!
Thats my bet.

Other bets:

Verstappen: gearbox failure.

Leclerc: crashes again.

Perez: pressures Lando and stays second.

Merc: Nowhere!

[deadhead]

Ferrari looks untouchable, but I’ve no confidence in their reliability. Sainz should pounce right now while Leclerc is having his issues. Now’s the time to take advantage before Leclerc recovers and regains confidence. Hit him while he’s down, and it will make Leclerc’s recovery all the tougher to come by. Play to win Sainz. Sainz won’t get another chance as Leclerc will recover if he ever hopes to be championship material. He’s not shown enough of that yet, but neither have really, so it’s still up for grabs in Maranello me thinks.

Austria trough Singapore are all Sainz tracks based on previous results so he should be close to LEC regardless if LEC is down or not. Hungary is one of LECs weakest tracks...

Right on. Good to know. I always appreciate comments from the folks here that know the detailed history of all the drivers. Cheers-

Right on but keep in mind that LEC is a relatively new driver and still developing. Also, I think this is the first F1 car that seems to suit his driving style, so maybe past performance isn't that great of indicator for him specifically, but so far the two tracks Sainz did very well against him last year, Austria and France, were both very close this year as well so..

Shame we get a wet qualy tomorrow, I really wanted to see how they stack up here.

[johnny comelately]

Some of the Hungary updates

[Mostlyeels]

Average long run pace.
1. Ferrari (1.23.6/Mediums)
2. Red Bull (1.24.2/Mediums)
3. Aston Martin (1.24.5/Mediums)
4. McLaren (1.24.6/Hards)
5. Mercedes (1.25.2/Mediums)
6. Alpine (1.25.3/Mediums)
7. Alfa Romeo (1.25.3/Mediums)
8. Alpha Tauri (1.25.5/Mediums)
9. Haas (1.25.7/Mediums)
10. Williams (1.25.8/Mediums)

If McLaren can do those times on hard tyres, they're effectively up there with Red Bull.

I know it's unrealistic, but let me dream...

[Mr5in1]

Noris for the win!
Thats my bet.

Other bets:

Verstappen: gearbox failure.

Leclerc: crashes again.

Perez: pressures Lando and stays second.

Merc: Nowhere!

I'll stick with my 72/1 7 fold acca with Scottish Football instead cheers