2022 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 29 - 31

[zibby43]

Ride height change is automatic with wets and inters, as far as I can recall. They normally have a bigger circumference than the slicks.

Correct. At least that was the case with the 13” wheels and suite of tires associated with them.

I can’t remember which team I’ve heard this from, but the discrepancy in “height” of the tread between wets/slicks may have been reduced in the switch to 18s.

[RZS10]

Tech. regulations 10.8.1 c) says "Tyre diameter must not exceed 725mm when for dry-weather tyres or 735mm for wet weather tyres." The diameter for the slicks is 720mm so with the same 'tolerance' it would mean the current wets are 730mm? Pirelli's site has the wets and inters as "Front: 305/720-18, Rear:405/720-18" ... so at 720mm which would just give them a higher tolerance for exceeding the nominal diameter?

[ringo]

Who will be the Miley Cyrus wrecking ball tomorrow?
Will Max survive turn 1?
I got a bad feeling about the start.
What are the weather predictions?

[nico5]

Not exactly, you have it the other way around. Overheating the tyres is a bit different than having them in the right temperature. More downforce is probably what he has on the car. More load works the carcass of the tyre better.
Yes sliding overheats them but that's more to do with the surface and degradation.
So the truth is somewhere inbetween, but more load is better. And I think Russel has always gambled on more load on the car during wet weekends.

From you analysis, I guess we also see how big a role traction plays in attaining top speed. Good tyre temps, better traction, earlier up to speed.

Plus, have you ever seen sliding on a warm up lap? More df "naturally" works the front tires better at low speed with a higher load, but it's also mechanical not just aero. Tomorrow if it's dry it's still gonna be cold so that should play into Merc's hand.
Weird quali though with a 30 degree drop in track temps from yesterday, wouldn't take too much away for overall performance evaluations, but massive job from George and the team to bounce back from France.

Sliding on a warmup lap? wat?

Anyway Williams had some of the best S1, and the best top speed by a margin (10kph on Ferrari), and you're telling me it's because they are using a high downforce setup?

It was kind of ironic, man.

When do they prepare the tires? I mean everyone's tires are at the upper limit or above the working range by S3, that's just the nature of qualifying in F1, they push the limit of grip so much that it's doable for one lap only, sometimes not even that. If you slide you're gonna pay the price in S3 more than you gain in S1. Merc didn't today. Now, it's obvious when sb talks of warm up one means mostly the beginning of the lap. Then there's the managing of the temps. Ferrari was pretty average throughout quali in S1, fast but inconsistent in S2; a bit better in S3 compared to friday.

As for Williams, 321 v 310kph, 0.2 gained by T1, 0.05 by T2 and 0.07 by T4: that's 0.32 of straightline performance (still lost like 0.4 in 2 corners then, eh...), it's not only to do with tires. (Interestingly both Williams drivers only got one lap of such performance. Trick change in engine maps as a trial on behalf of Merc? Surely Ferrari was massively down on power as you pointed out, even more than in France).
Nonetheless, as I said, mechanical setup and tire pressures definitely play the bigger role over aero, and Williams was also P1 and P3 in the wet FP3 with their legendary drivers don't forget.

[search]

What are the weather predictions?

same as last year. Very low risk of rain

[politburo]

Who will be the Miley Cyrus wrecking ball tomorrow?
Will Max survive turn 1?
I got a bad feeling about the start.
What are the weather predictions?

No rain during or right before the race

[dialtone]

Who will be the Miley Cyrus wrecking ball tomorrow?
Will Max survive turn 1?
I got a bad feeling about the start.
What are the weather predictions?

No rain during or right before the race

Luckily for them, they didn't "setup the car for the wet".

[politburo]

That's the forecast, at 2 pm no rain but light rain during f3, f2 races. But the temperature is forecast low tomorrow...could easily lead to more rain

You never know

[atanatizante]

Rus said they've changed the setup and that will negatively affect tyre deg hence race pace tomorrow... (a statement in the pen after the press conference)

Proof: It was the first time this year when they needed just 1 warm-up lap in qualy and here the track temp was 30 degrees Celsius!

This was the same temps in Silverstone, although other df levels, tyre compounds and so on, but nonetheless they've learned some lessons from the updates they brought there which now are willing to gamble on here, betting on the instability of the weather tomorrow, hence at least one SC/VSC phase which will require a quick tyre warm-up after restarts and so on ...

As driver61 (a former professional driver) said on YT, Merc for the last couple of years opted for a 1 stop race strategy which is in most cases the fastest way to win a race. Thus means that the setup must be kind to the tyres in order to keep them alive for longer stints. But his strategy had a flow: a longer warm-up tyre phase which requires a 2 lap warm-up in qualy and be vulnerable at the restarts
This year they embraced the same philosophy and more so focusing on the race pace once they've realized that they're in the so called no men's land.

But this is changed now and had tomorrow will be a dry race it will be a relatively cold one for this time around the year and they are willing to test this setup choice bearing in mind they have nothing too lose...

One more thing: why people say this is a low DF circuit, knowing that is known fact that after Monaco is the 2nd race of the season that you need a car with the highest DF boltit on it?

[dialtone]

Rus said they've changed the setup and that will negatively affect tyre deg hence race pace tomorrow... (a statement in the pen after the press conference)

Proof: It was the first time this year when they needed just 1 warm-up lap in qualy and here the track temp was 30 degrees Celsius!

This was the same temps in Silverstone, although other df levels, tyre compounds and so on, but nonetheless they've learned some lessons from the updates they brought there which now are willing to gamble on here, betting on the instability of the weather tomorrow, hence at least one SC/VSC phase which will require a quick tyre warm-up after restarts and so on ...

As driver61 (a former professional driver) said on YT, Merc for the last couple of years opted for a 1 stop race strategy which is in most cases the fastest way to win a race. Thus means that the setup must be kind to the tyres in order to keep them alive for longer stints. But his strategy had a flow: a longer warm-up tyre phase which requires a 2 lap warm-up in qualy and be vulnerable at the restarts
This year they embraced the same philosophy and more so focusing on the race pace once they've realized that they're in the so called no men's land.

But this is changed now and had tomorrow will be a dry race it will be a relatively cold one for this time around the year and they are willing to test this setup choice bearing in mind they have nothing too lose...

One more thing: why people say this is a low DF circuit, knowing that is known fact that after Monaco is the 2nd race of the season that you need a car with the highest DF boltit on it?

No one said this is a low df track. Cars have a range they can play with even when they bolt on high DF package. RBR went from a lower DF version of their package in FP1 to a higher DF version in FP2 for example losing them 6 kph in top speed.

[PlatinumZealot]

Im sort of smelling a Hamilton win.... Or it could be gym socks?! That's what Hamilton wins smell like they say.

[Just_a_fan]

Im sort of smelling a Hamilton win.... Or it could be gym socks?! That's what Hamilton wins smell like they say.

This is Mercedes. They won't give Lewis a win over George if George does the job in the first half of the race. The only way Lewis wins over George is if George drops it or there is a fortunate safety car.

But the reality is that Charles is going to win unless he, or Ferrari, do something stupid.

[morefirejules08]

No they are absolutely not, both teams said the TD will do nothing to them. In fact that's the reasoning from Ferrari and RBR as to why 2023 rule change is unnecessary, they already have the TD with the new sensors.

If you read everything RB and Horner have said about the TD, it has all been negative with the aim to delegitimise it. Everything from saying it will only help Mercedes, that it’ll allow the FIA to dictate set up, that mid season rule changes should be allowed etc etc. these are not the comments of a team that are for the TD being introduced at spa.

They never said the TD will only help mercedes, you are talking about the 2023 rule change. For me to defend Horner...

No, I’m talking about the TD coming in at spa
https://formula1news.co.uk/ferrari-and- ... directive/

[dialtone]

If you read everything RB and Horner have said about the TD, it has all been negative with the aim to delegitimise it. Everything from saying it will only help Mercedes, that it’ll allow the FIA to dictate set up, that mid season rule changes should be allowed etc etc. these are not the comments of a team that are for the TD being introduced at spa.

They never said the TD will only help mercedes, you are talking about the 2023 rule change. For me to defend Horner...

No, I’m talking about the TD coming in at spa
https://formula1news.co.uk/ferrari-and- ... directive/

The article you pass has itself the quote of Binotto saying he's fine with the way they are implementing the TD after the delay from Canada. So why would Binotto or Horner be upset about the TD this year? Your own article has it:

“The process is correct now,” said Ferrari’s Mattia Binotto after the announcement.

Your same article quotes this:

“Mercedes and McLaren want to get the FIA to look at what you can do with the floor so that they can continue to use their concept in 2023,” one source told Auto Motor und Sport.

Which confirms that the upset is about the changes in ride height and floor related to the 2023 season.

Their point remains 110% reasonable: cars aren't porpoising much any more, from Spa they'll have a sensor to monitor this stuff and tell teams to raise the car height if they porpoise too much, changing the rules when they have already been working on the 2023 car without following the right technical regulation process isn't appropriate.

There is nothing shady here. So to recap: Ferrari and RBR are fine with the TD from Spa, they said so multiple times, including the article you just brought over. Ferrari and RBR (and another 4 teams, so the majority of teams) are against changing floor regulation when the 2023 cars are already being worked on.

That's it. And there's an appropriate thread for this topic that was linked already, let's go there if you want to chat.

EDIT: I also thought that after quali today Mercs are now the class of the field for the rest of the season, so why change the floor any more?

[Chuckjr]

I actually gasped out loud when Russell stuck that pig of a car on pole. Wow. Couldn’t believe it. He really did it. I’m so impressed with that guy. Moreso now than ever. That result is all George. Sticking a car that should not be on pole, on pole, is really quite an accomplishment. Few drivers can do that. Well done George!!

Norris P-4?!? Outstanding accomplishment. What a race we are in for tomorrow.

Disappointed Sainz three away the middle sector. What happened to Charles? Ferrari should win, so George has an opportunity to do something special and embolden his position on the team. Wonder if George can keep the same level of intensity he did in quali for an entire race?

The start will be critical. Whoever is behind Fred after turn one is in for a looooooooong day.