2022 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 29 - 31

[basti313]

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Could be interesting. I definitely think we will see the soft today and might even get the RB's starting on it to get some early positions and opt for a 2 stopper. Im sure Max has a fresh set of softs too since he didnt really set a good lap in Q3. The 2 laps he did with a broken car were new softs so only really done a cruise round on installation lap with those so still be fresh.

Looks like Russell with start on the mediums and switch to the hards, taking a one stopper with option to swap back to mediums if theres a SC later on in the race. Ferrari need to split the strategy today. But I think we will see a typical Ferrari strategy with copying what Russell does in front (if hes still leading at the 1st pit stop window) I really dont think they are aggressive enough in strategy to get positions through pitstops.

I'd say they should definitely start one car on softs (Sainz probably), no matter what Russell does.

But well, now that strategies are potentially interesting for the first time in a while, I guess it'll rain anyway

Yeah, they absolutely have to split strategies.

I wouldnt even be surprised if RB start Checo on Hards and go long given its a hard track to overtake, but thats a bit far of a strategy thinking about it especially if the rest of pack start on a medium.

Most start hard ans go long strategies this year did not work...and I am quite confident that you can overtake here this season as you can follow much better in S3 than in the past.

My bet is that most will start on Soft due to the risk or the possible gain of loosing positions at the start vs. someone on Mediums. I only see Lec on Mediums.

[wogx]

This is the first time since 2018 Bahrain GP, both Hamilton and Verstappen are not starting from top 6. Back then, HAM was set back in result of a penalty, VER crashed in Q1.

[chrisc90]

New PUs for Verstappen and Perez.

Gasly too but starting at pit lane

[jumpingfish]

It's cold today, so starting on hards will be a difficult task compared to those on softs. Probably everyone will start on softs.

[search]

Gasly too but starting at pit lane

so if it begins to rain on the formation lap, he'll start 1st?! Or did they change the rules after 2020?

[chrisc90]

Gasly too but starting at pit lane

so if it begins to rain on the formation lap, he'll start 1st?! Or did they change the rules after 2020?

Erm, could well do. Dont think there was any rule changes after last year. Gasly wont be entitled to a formation lap, so will be lined up at the pit exit.

[taperoo2k]

Gasly too but starting at pit lane

so if it begins to rain on the formation lap, he'll start 1st?! Or did they change the rules after 2020?

Erm, could well do. Dont think there was any rule changes after last year. Gasly wont be entitled to a formation lap, so will be lined up at the pit exit.

From the sporting regulations as of April 2022.

49.3 Any cars that were starting the sprint session or the race from the pit lane may join the
formation lap once the whole field has passed the end of the pit lane for the first time.
Any such cars may complete all formation laps but must enter the pit lane after the safety
car returns to the pits and start the sprint session or the race from the end of the pit lane
in the order they get there.

49.4 Any other car entering the pit lane during the formation laps may re-join the track but
must enter the pit lane after the safety car returns to the pits and start the sprint session
or the race from the end of the pit lane in the order they get there.

[chrisc90]

so if it begins to rain on the formation lap, he'll start 1st?! Or did they change the rules after 2020?

Erm, could well do. Dont think there was any rule changes after last year. Gasly wont be entitled to a formation lap, so will be lined up at the pit exit.

From the sporting regulations as of April 2022.

49.3 Any cars that were starting the sprint session or the race from the pit lane may join the
formation lap once the whole field has passed the end of the pit lane for the first time.
Any such cars may complete all formation laps but must enter the pit lane after the safety
car returns to the pits and start the sprint session or the race from the end of the pit lane
in the order they get there.

49.4 Any other car entering the pit lane during the formation laps may re-join the track but
must enter the pit lane after the safety car returns to the pits and start the sprint session
or the race from the end of the pit lane in the order they get there.

So technically they dont need to do the formation lap, but instead can skip it, line up at the end of the pitlane, whilst other do the formation lap, and if the others behind pit for different tyres, that car would start from the 'front'

[renault rs26]

Erm, could well do. Dont think there was any rule changes after last year. Gasly wont be entitled to a formation lap, so will be lined up at the pit exit.

From the sporting regulations as of April 2022.

49.3 Any cars that were starting the sprint session or the race from the pit lane may join the
formation lap once the whole field has passed the end of the pit lane for the first time.
Any such cars may complete all formation laps but must enter the pit lane after the safety
car returns to the pits and start the sprint session or the race from the end of the pit lane
in the order they get there.

49.4 Any other car entering the pit lane during the formation laps may re-join the track but
must enter the pit lane after the safety car returns to the pits and start the sprint session
or the race from the end of the pit lane in the order they get there.

So technically they dont need to do the formation lap, but instead can skip it, line up at the end of the pitlane, whilst other do the formation lap, and if the others behind pit for different tyres, that car would start from the 'front'

I think they'll start last. Once every car has passed the end of the pit lane for the first time - after the start of the race, other would pit before the start and should be ahead in pit.

[Big Tea]

If there is no overtaking on a formation lap, they can not go to the front or they will not have passed the cars infront of them, so not gained positions?

[Andres125sx]

Sticking a car that should not be on pole, on pole, is really quite an accomplishment.

A car is either fast enough for pole or it isn't. No one can make a car go faster than it is physically capable of. George did a great job getting the car to give him the performance it has.

This is technically true and accurate, but don´t take into account cars are not driven by robots who get 100% out of each car.

Ironically this sort of statement underrate and overrate drivers role at the same time. Underrate because it ignores any driver can be faster or slower than any other driver, achieving results wich are higher or lower than the real position of the car (driver role actually can change car position).

But also overrate drivers at the same time, because stating if X car did the pole is because it has the potential to do it means you´re assuming every driver got the max out of their car... when reality is not even best driver in F1 history, in his very best lap of his career, got 100% of the car.

Drivers can actually finish higher than the car potential just getting a higher % out of their car than their rivals, and this pole is a good example. Rusell did an awesome lap, let say he got 98% out of his car. Sainz said himself he got some oversteer in final sector so his lap was not the best possible, so let say he got 96% out of his car. Charles got a lower % obviously, maybe 94%.

Even if Ferrari potential is higher, if drivers get a lower % out of his car, result can be whatever. But this looks like pointing fingers to drivers because of not getting the max out of their cars always... and we must be conscious they´re best drivers in the planet, they´re getting the maximum humans can get. Ie this is not something to blame Sainz and Lecrerc, but to praise Rusell, as he did a freaking awesome job getting such a high % out of his car, even if we humans enjoy thinking X driver can get 100% out of his car, no, he can´t, he´s human. But he can get a higher % than his rivals, that´s his job, and Rusell did it incredibly well yesterday, owning a pole wich should have never been for Mercedes (if all drivers get same % out of their cars, but they´re humans)

[johnny comelately]

Something that is surprisingly missing from nearly all interviews "I want to win the world championship"
And just heard George Russell say this.

[atanatizante]

Qualifying Session Maximum Speeds from yesterday ... not much speed delta between all drivers, honestly:

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... ds_v01.pdf

[chrisc90]

Theres a good risk of rain aswell isnt there?

[atanatizante]

So in the end what was the reason (or should I better say reasons?) behind RUS` pole?

1. Merc set up the car more (if not entirely) towards qualy for the first time this year (at least it`s the first time when they need just 1 lap to warm up up the tyres in qualy, not to mention the moderate track temps), knowing it`s a wet race today hence at least an SC/VSC phase when you need to quickly warm up the tyres?
2. Merc or at least RUS is betting for a wet race in prospect for today?
3. Ferrari were on the back foot with track temps in qualy and not being able to get heat into the tyres?
4. VER`s PU misfortune?