2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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pipoloko
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during several weeks here was discussed
wrong strategies!!!!
SAI is not good!!!!!
etc etc
the fact is that SAI was basically on the same tires that VER
yellows and reds
reds and yellows
and
SAI was 14 sec behind even with a Max 360!!!!!
can we accept that RB is a betetr car?
can we undestand that eventually MB will be in pos 2 in constructors?
hope we "technicalf1" fans/users ,think and act more than engineers than fans

ferkan
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Sainz nowhere near Leclerc, similarly to Silverstone and Monaco, yet finishes ahead.

Ferrari strat for Leclerc was BRUTAL. Rarely seen something so bad, but Ferrari did it 3 times to him this season.

mzso
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It's time to change the badge to prancing clown.
I'm looking forward to the rest of the races to see how much hilarity they can bring.
Mercedes can catch second place in the team championship, maybe a second or third in the drivers. It's 4-5 for Leclerc.

JPower
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ferkan
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JPower wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:19




Sainz would have a point if he was faster Ferrari, which he wasnt. Leclerc could have won it for sure. Pitting him early, when he had tire life and pace advantage over both Russell and Sainz was beyond retarded.

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Cuky
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pipoloko wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:18
can we accept that RB is a betetr car?
I don't agree. Just when you compare Leclerc and Sainz and their driving when behind Russell. Sainz was happy to just sit there and wait, Leclerc on the other hand pushed and pushed and when he got past he actually was building up a gap while Sainz still remained stuck behind.

Throughout all this season Ferrari showed better pace, both in one lap and in race trim. What Red Bull has is much better organized team that gets out everything they can from the package they have. And they aren't far from Ferrari performance so whenever Ferrari slips up they are always there to pick up the pieces.

JPower
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pipoloko wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:18
during several weeks here was discussed
wrong strategies!!!!
SAI is not good!!!!!
etc etc
the fact is that SAI was basically on the same tires that VER
yellows and reds
reds and yellows
and
SAI was 14 sec behind even with a Max 360!!!!!
can we accept that RB is a betetr car?
can we undestand that eventually MB will be in pos 2 in constructors?
hope we "technicalf1" fans/users ,think and act more than engineers than fans
You're being reactionary. Sainz was very quick in Austria and went from 19th to 3rd the last race.

Today was a bad race for him but "not good" is not an accurate statement.

And no, the RB isn't the better car. Ferrari got the setup wrong.
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CaribouBread
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This race gave me a --- toothache holy --- I try to be level headed about races because at the end they've got nothing to do with me but this was just disgusting.

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chrisc90
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Does anyone know why the car 'didnt work' this weekend?
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

JPower
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Binotto says they did not have the car to succeed.

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chrisc90 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:27
Does anyone know why the car 'didnt work' this weekend?
They didn't anticipate the cooler conditions and greener track and their setup reflected that it seems, even then Leclerc still seemed to have pace to win (imo - haven't looked at the data) so its all down to the team.

mzso
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chrisc90 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:27
Does anyone know why the car 'didnt work' this weekend?
The car worked fine, as did one of the drivers, the team didn't.

Andi76
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diffuser wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:04
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 16:46
after this ... anyone who is working on that strategy thing for Ferrari should have some shame. some shame ffs....
Not sure how the tires get chosen but Ferrari had only 1 set of Mediums and 1 set of hards like everyone but HAM, Max, Per and Gas that had 2 sets of mediums, 1 used and 1 set of hard. So the strategies where a bit locked in from before the race.
What you describe, say it all - and thats Ferraris problem! The have the fastest car and are the leading team technically. But what they do at a race weekend in terms of strategic decisions is not even on amateur level. I cannot risk to use all my medium tyres so my lead-driver has to use a tyre in the deciding phase of the race i have no data at all, because it was not used for even one single lap(especially as it is well known since Monza that the F1-75 does not make good use of its tyres when track temperature is low!!!)! Ferrari needs someone like Ross Brawn, under whom such horrible decision were unthinkable! The race strategy is intuition only, not planned. A disaster, to be honest! Even if i totally support Binotto, who really managed the technical departements and personel extremely well and has to get credit for, he has to act now and restructure the race-engineer and Strategy Departement. And i mean not that he should fire people, but things have to be organised in a way that such diletantism cannot happen any more. The best way is to have one person making the decisions, one person who says whats happening and it has to be a person with organisational and strategical knowledge. One person responsible . Unfortunately such a person is hard to find but thats what Binotto has to do. If there is no such person available, a reorganisation of Ferraris race engineering/strategy approach at race weekends has to be made, with procedure that rules out such diletantism. Not an easy task, but that has to be done immediately, as there is just no chance to win the championship in F1 with such a chaotic approach and strategy on a race weekend.

And all the talk from Sainz about the pace - sorry, but Leclerk was 1 second faster than Russell after he has overtaken him. So - the pace of the car was not the problem...
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Shal_Leg16
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ferkan wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:21
JPower wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:19




Sainz would have a point if he was faster Ferrari, which he wasnt. Leclerc could have won it for sure. Pitting him early, when he had tire life and pace advantage over both Russell and Sainz was beyond retarded.
Nonsense ,

He is just covering up his own typical sainz( average ) performance.

On medium/soft Ferrari was the fastest car on track.

just because he can do nothing unless some sh*t happenes to others and he capitalizes doesn't mean there was no pace. Nonsense statement.

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Cuky wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:22
pipoloko wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:18
can we accept that RB is a betetr car?
I don't agree. Just when you compare Leclerc and Sainz and their driving when behind Russell. Sainz was happy to just sit there and wait, Leclerc on the other hand pushed and pushed and when he got past he actually was building up a gap while Sainz still remained stuck behind.

Throughout all this season Ferrari showed better pace, both in one lap and in race trim. What Red Bull has is much better organized team that gets out everything they can from the package they have. And they aren't far from Ferrari performance so whenever Ferrari slips up they are always there to pick up the pieces.
What is the definition of "better car"?

The Ferrari is faster than RB18, that is certain. It's not as reliable.