2022 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 29 - 31

[Mr5in1]

Don't think Sky are bias towards any team, I'd argue more for British drivers in general Brundle even stated in the race 3 Brits in the top 4 early in the race, I don't have an issue with that he even apologised for the rest of the world watching.

The biggest crime is Crofty and his usual drivel bingo of:

"Down the back straight"
"The old switcheroo"
"2 secs Ted"
" *Inaudible gurgling at the start of a race*"

[Just_a_fan]

Nah, no way bias to Red Bull. How is it bias if one guy talks to one team principle more than the others, but yet you got presenters doing the exact opposite.

I mean:


"are you being handed this championship"

Well, they are being handed the championship. The other team with the car that is equal to their own keeps throwing away race wins and points.

Don't get me wrong, RBR and Max are maximising their chances, but they are being helped by Ferrari shooting themselves in both feet seemingly at every other race.

[Big Tea]

And yet the Sky team talk to Horner most races, often several times a race, and hang on his every word, never challenging anything he says. If there is a bias, it's towards Horner and his team.

So who came out best from " Are you being handed the championship?" FFF.. Are we live on air??
Horner needs no kid gloves he is up for a squabble any time and not often he comes out second.

I recon he is pleased he was asked that

Totally shocking question to ask really. What a way to undermine the efforts and hard work of all the team who work flat out throughout the season, from pitstops, garage mechanics, strategists, drivers etc etc.

And he made a point to put that on air. There will be many happy people in the team tonight.
Was the question tactless? maybe, but as I said, I believe they know what sort of question they can ask to who.
We'll se if they ask Binnotto the reverse

[Big Tea]

Don't think Sky are bias towards any team, I'd argue more for British drivers in general Brundle even stated in the race 3 Brits in the top 4 early in the race, I don't have an issue with that he even apologised for the rest of the world watching.

The biggest crime is Crofty and his usual drivel bingo of:

"Down the back straight"
"The old switcheroo"
"2 secs Ted"
" *Inaudible gurgling at the start of a race*"

Brundle is a director of BRDC young driver program so he has a personal angle. Maybe he should not have said it on air, but as I said earlier, it is aimed at UK audience mostly.

[Zynerji]

Ferrari top brass must terminate immediately Mattia Binotto, Mekies and Ignacio Rueda. Totally incompetant at the pitwall. Get personnel from Sauber or Haas . Binotto telling the media that the car was under performing and the strategy wasnt to blame. Is Binotto disillusioned ?

Binotto is not responsible for the strategy. The firing of the strategist is long overdue!

They lost a female strategist a few years ago to another team (Alfa?), and they have not been the same since!

[rifrafs2kees]

Its clear to see Sky are against Red Bull. Jeez, just look at herberts comments on Max after his interview on the F1 show.

And yet the Sky team talk to Horner most races, often several times a race, and hang on his every word, never challenging anything he says. If there is a bias, it's towards Horner and his team.

Nah, no way bias to Red Bull. How is it bias if one guy talks to one team principle more than the others, but yet you got presenters doing the exact opposite.

I mean:



"are you being handed this championship"

Dude, what's your problem with the question?
Answer this, is Ferrari generating best value with the tools available? No objective person would rate them even a "C", yet you're blabbering on about this totally legitimate question which speaks more about Ferrari's performance; doesn't in anyway denigrate RB.

[Just_a_fan]

Can someone actually explain the thinking behind tracks having two DRS zones for one detection point like here in Hungary? I've never understood it. It just makes it easier for a driver to pull away once they have gotten past.

The problem with having two zones either side of a single corner, each with their own detection point, is that the car that is overtaken can then immediately use DRS to retake the position. Which make it pointless to have DRS in the first place. By having one detection point for two zones, you reward the faster car properly. It's essential at tracks where there is effectively only one overtaking location e.g. Hungary.

[PlatinumZealot]

HAM overtook one slow ferrari and one slow Mercedes. 2-3 laps he couldnt show his true pace because of overtaking and sitting under slower cars. In addition firs 2-3 laps he bedded the tires under the guidance of the team

So if we take out all the laps were the car was slow, and say the laps where he had DRS were also slow, then it’s fast?


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Eliminate the outliers from the data first. Say remove the or four slowest laps from Lec and Ham.

[LM10]

And yet the Sky team talk to Horner most races, often several times a race, and hang on his every word, never challenging anything he says. If there is a bias, it's towards Horner and his team.

So who came out best from " Are you being handed the championship?" FFF.. Are we live on air??
Horner needs no kid gloves he is up for a squabble any time and not often he comes out second.

I recon he is pleased he was asked that

Totally shocking question to ask really. What a way to undermine the efforts and hard work of all the team who work flat out throughout the season, from pitstops, garage mechanics, strategists, drivers etc etc.

Ferrari have gifted Max way more points and race wins than he should have gotten under normal circumstances. Convince me of the opposite. If you cannot do it, the question was pure reality.

[Big Tea]

So who came out best from " Are you being handed the championship?" FFF.. Are we live on air??
Horner needs no kid gloves he is up for a squabble any time and not often he comes out second.

I recon he is pleased he was asked that

Totally shocking question to ask really. What a way to undermine the efforts and hard work of all the team who work flat out throughout the season, from pitstops, garage mechanics, strategists, drivers etc etc.

Ferrari have gifted Max way more points and race wins than he should have gotten under normal circumstances. Convince me of the opposite. If you cannot do it, the question was pure reality.

I quite agree with you, but I can also see that asking the wrong person that bluntly live on air could be embarrassing.
Luckily Horner was not the wrong person. I do suspect that had it been say Clare Williams for instance he would not have. Actually had it been Guenther Steiner he would probably not

[chrisc90]

So who came out best from " Are you being handed the championship?" FFF.. Are we live on air??
Horner needs no kid gloves he is up for a squabble any time and not often he comes out second.

I recon he is pleased he was asked that

Totally shocking question to ask really. What a way to undermine the efforts and hard work of all the team who work flat out throughout the season, from pitstops, garage mechanics, strategists, drivers etc etc.

Ferrari have gifted Max way more points and race wins than he should have gotten under normal circumstances. Convince me of the opposite. If you cannot do it, the question was pure reality.

Ferrari probably have given away easy wins, and others Redbull and Mercedes have took advantage of that. A lot of if's and buts in your normal circumstances comment especially given both teams have had reliability issues, retirements caused by other cars (perez). However, it still doesnt take away from the efforts the entire team have put in. Would the team be in the same place if the team hadnt designed a competitive car? Of course they wouldnt be, they would be in the midfield.

On the other hand, Red bull have gifted Ferrari points aswell. There was 44 points in the first race at Bahrain. Works both ways. Mercedes have been gifted points from RB and Ferrari DNF. Do you think Sky would dare question the 5 podiums in a row of Lewis to Toto or to Lewis himself? Where they have benefitted from other teams mishaps? of course they wouldnt. You could turn round and say every Mercedes driver podium has been gifted from RB or Ferrari DNF or mishaps/damage, but its never mentioned.


You only have to watch the Sky F1 stream to see the bias towards Mercedes and Lewis.

[dialtone]

HAM overtook one slow ferrari and one slow Mercedes. 2-3 laps he couldnt show his true pace because of overtaking and sitting under slower cars. In addition firs 2-3 laps he bedded the tires under the guidance of the team

So if we take out all the laps were the car was slow, and say the laps where he had DRS were also slow, then it’s fast?


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Eliminate the outliers from the data first. Say remove the or four slowest laps from Lec and Ham.

Ok, so tried removing the first 2, LEC warming up his tires + outlap, so starting from 56 and removed 62 and 64 where Ham made his passes:



Still slower.

LEC: 1.22.375
HAM: 1.22.529
VER: 1.23.422
SAI: 1.23.733

Still convinced LEC wasn't fastest?

[LM10]

Totally shocking question to ask really. What a way to undermine the efforts and hard work of all the team who work flat out throughout the season, from pitstops, garage mechanics, strategists, drivers etc etc.

Ferrari have gifted Max way more points and race wins than he should have gotten under normal circumstances. Convince me of the opposite. If you cannot do it, the question was pure reality.

Ferrari probably have given away easy wins, and others Redbull and Mercedes have took advantage of that. A lot of if's and buts in your normal circumstances comment especially given both teams have had reliability issues, retirements caused by other cars (perez). However, it still doesnt take away from the efforts the entire team have put in. Would the team be in the same place if the team hadnt designed a competitive car? Of course they wouldnt be, they would be in the midfield.

On the other hand, Red bull have gifted Ferrari points aswell. There was 44 points in the first race at Bahrain. Works both ways. Mercedes have been gifted points from RB and Ferrari DNF. Do you think Sky would dare question the 5 podiums in a row of Lewis to Toto or to Lewis himself? Where they have benefitted from other teams mishaps? of course they wouldnt. You could turn round and say every Mercedes driver podium has been gifted from RB or Ferrari DNF or mishaps/damage, but its never mentioned.


You only have to watch the Sky F1 stream to see the bias towards Mercedes and Lewis.

No one claimed that RedBull is not putting effort.

Still, the fact that this question has been asked should show you that Ferrari's mishaps and RedBull taking advantage of those have come to extraordinary levels and got way out of hand. Everyone sees Ferrari's efforts of beating themselves every week. It's all over the internet.

[justmoi]

Anyone know why Ferrari were slow on the softs too. I didn't expect Sainz to be overtaken by Hamilton running the same tyre who was 9/10s behind on lap 54ish

Same reason as why they were slow in quali. Couldn't switch them on well. But to be clear, LEC was the fastest car on track in the last stint.

https://i.imgur.com/g6A91xd.jpeg

Lat 54 to 70, average lap times for the drivers here:
LEC: 1.22.320
HAM: 1.22.560
VER: 1.23.324
SAI: 1.23.647

Aside from the stint on hards, LEC was consistently the fastest average pace in the race.

EDIT: updated graph with average laps rather than 90%ile laps, average laps in the race remain unchanged of course.

I'm sorry but this summation is just plain wrong unless you're reading into data what you want to see. And people shouldn't just blindly accept all these data interpretations as facts.

Anyone with the F1 app can simply 'replay live timing' which I've just done. Lewis was the fastest car in the last stint. Right until when he caught Sainz first and then Russell which off course slowed him down. After that, ten seconds behind with about 4 laps left it was surely just bring the car home. Noteworthy that Leclerc had newer soft tyres as well but wasn't faster. Leclerc also had no one to fight until finishing 0.3 behind Perez on the final lap. Being in the position he was fighting for every point he would have had every reason to be pushing to catch Perez.

To use the average speed over all of the last stint to say Leclerc was quickest is, well, assuning there's no wrong intent, plain wrong.

Also an aside, no data showed conclusively that Mercedes ran a low df setup. That is almost ridiculous to say that

[justmoi]

Anyone know why Ferrari were slow on the softs too. I didn't expect Sainz to be overtaken by Hamilton running the same tyre who was 9/10s behind on lap 54ish

Same reason as why they were slow in quali. Couldn't switch them on well. But to be clear, LEC was the fastest car on track in the last stint.

https://i.imgur.com/g6A91xd.jpeg

Lat 54 to 70, average lap times for the drivers here:
LEC: 1.22.320
HAM: 1.22.560
VER: 1.23.324
SAI: 1.23.647

Aside from the stint on hards, LEC was consistently the fastest average pace in the race.

EDIT: updated graph with average laps rather than 90%ile laps, average laps in the race remain unchanged of course.

I'm sorry but this summation is just plain wrong unless you're reading into data what you want to see. And people shouldn't just blindly accept all these data interpretations as facts.

Anyone with the F1 app can simply 'replay live timing' which I've just done. Lewis was the fastest car in the last stint. Right until when he caught Sainz first and then Russell which off course slowed him down. After that, ten seconds behind Max with about 4 laps left it was surely just bring the car home. Noteworthy that Leclerc had newer soft tyres as well but wasn't faster. Leclerc also had no one to fight until finishing 0.3 behind Perez on the final lap. Being in the position he was, fighting for every point he would have had every reason to be pushing to catch Perez, which was achievable.

To use the average speed over all of the last stint laps to say Leclerc was quickest is, well, assuming there's no wrong intent, plain wrong.

Also an aside, no data showed conclusively that Mercedes ran a low df setup. It;s almost ridiculous to say that