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Mchamilton wrote:
03 Aug 2022, 21:48
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Mchamilton wrote: Merc were never in a low DF config this weekend, they had their OG barn door rear wing on and a bigger top flap on the front wing.
Everyone had a barn door wing. RUS was churning through tires.
There's no direct correlation between between downforce level and tyre wear is there so I don't see what your point is?
There absolutely is

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Mchamilton wrote:
03 Aug 2022, 21:48

There's no direct correlation between between downforce level and tyre wear is there so I don't see what your point is?
There absolutely is.

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Yes low df will lead to relatively more graining.
But GR was not churning through tyres. He was wearing and not graining because of how much he had to push. I believe ferrari had more tyre wear and graining issues ironically.
Neither was Hamilton having much issue.
Not even the debrief mentioned a low df setup. What was said was that Lewis was hoping for rain which gives an idea of the direction they went.
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ringo wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 07:39
What was said was that Lewis was hoping for rain which gives an idea of the direction they went.
There's no way he went "wet set up" in any way. You don't set fastest lap in a dry race (even if there is some light drizzle at the end) on a wet set up.

What rain would do is effectively reduce any power deficit that Mercedes might be suffering. Also Hamilton has great self belief about his skill in the wet.
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Re: Mercedes W13

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Just_a_fan wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:48
ringo wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 07:39
What was said was that Lewis was hoping for rain which gives an idea of the direction they went.
There's no way he went "wet set up" in any way. You don't set fastest lap in a dry race (even if there is some light drizzle at the end) on a wet set up.

What rain would do is effectively reduce any power deficit that Mercedes might be suffering. Also Hamilton has great self belief about his skill in the wet.

Lewis wanted rain at the end because he was on a relatively fresh set of softs vs Max on a set of worn Mediums. The soft tyre would give a lot more grip in damp conditions in the final laps of the race.

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The_Engineer wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:53
Just_a_fan wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:48
ringo wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 07:39
What was said was that Lewis was hoping for rain which gives an idea of the direction they went.
There's no way he went "wet set up" in any way. You don't set fastest lap in a dry race (even if there is some light drizzle at the end) on a wet set up.

What rain would do is effectively reduce any power deficit that Mercedes might be suffering. Also Hamilton has great self belief about his skill in the wet.

Lewis wanted rain at the end because he was on a relatively fresh set of softs vs Max on a set of worn Mediums. The soft tyre would give a lot more grip in damp conditions in the final laps of the race.
Yes, indeed so. But I think he was hoping it would be wet for the entire race.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 10:20
The_Engineer wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:53
Just_a_fan wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:48

There's no way he went "wet set up" in any way. You don't set fastest lap in a dry race (even if there is some light drizzle at the end) on a wet set up.

What rain would do is effectively reduce any power deficit that Mercedes might be suffering. Also Hamilton has great self belief about his skill in the wet.

Lewis wanted rain at the end because he was on a relatively fresh set of softs vs Max on a set of worn Mediums. The soft tyre would give a lot more grip in damp conditions in the final laps of the race.
Yes, indeed so. But I think he was hoping it would be wet for the entire race.
On the basis of?

EDIT: Every indication from the team is that they hoped for rain because it would allow them a free pit stop to stay ahead of Verstappen & co around lap 50 or so, or later so that the softs' advantage would be heightened, not because they had a wet setup.

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I didnt say he was on a wet setup.
I implied that the car was setup for the tyres to last. Usually teams do this so they can wait out for rain without taking a pitstop.
I dont think they went low downforce and high deg.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 10:20
The_Engineer wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:53
Just_a_fan wrote:
04 Aug 2022, 09:48

There's no way he went "wet set up" in any way. You don't set fastest lap in a dry race (even if there is some light drizzle at the end) on a wet set up.

What rain would do is effectively reduce any power deficit that Mercedes might be suffering. Also Hamilton has great self belief about his skill in the wet.

Lewis wanted rain at the end because he was on a relatively fresh set of softs vs Max on a set of worn Mediums. The soft tyre would give a lot more grip in damp conditions in the final laps of the race.
Yes, indeed so. But I think he was hoping it would be wet for the entire race.
The Mercedes was disastrous on the wet tires in FP3.
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Shovlin revealed he has big hopes for the return of the season. A new set of upgrades is due, as they are "trying to bring back some performance to Spa".

One aspect that I think is overlooked when discussing the car philosophy is rear tyre temperature. Everybody keeps talking about drag, but seeing how everything has unfold till Hungary, I'm almost certain one of the key areas hindering W13's true potential is tyre temperature. Tyre managment on its own is a big shunk of lap time. Despite the low temperatures, Hungary is a track that stresses the tyres the most. That combination might have helped Lewis keep a more aggressive line in the last stint.

Interviewed by Kovalainen, Hamilton has let slip that Mercedes turned engine modes :?: down to prevent porpoising on top of everything else: "We've had to depower it to stop it from bouncing, but we had really good reliability" [...] "And every week I'm hoping that they find something that bring us that little bit of downforce without bouncing".

With more power and downforce recovered, the car would be in a much better place regarding tyre temperature.



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He wasn't talking about the PU being depowered, but the floor.

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Yep, made the floor less peaky but more consistent.

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Wouter wrote:
08 Aug 2022, 17:27

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/0 ... ever-quits
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Lewis Hamilton: The F1 Superstar on Racism, His Future, and the Shocker That Cost Him a Championship
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I ask him whether this feels as though it is particularly directed toward him.

“I mean, yeah,” he replies. “Because I’m the only one that has jewelry on, really.”

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