RS200E wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 16:22
runningmanz wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 04:13
RS200E wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022, 13:14
That was all in the distant past. Max progressed far far far beyond Riccardo. The problem lies with Ricciardo's inability, as can be seen by the fact that a younger less experienced teammate is thoroughly embarrassing him nearly 2 full seasons in a row.
There's no way of knowing how Dan would have faired if he stayed with Red Bull, however with those 8 dnfs (pretty much all not driver related) in 2018 there was an analysis done points adjusted where leading into the last 3 races he would have been pretty close to Max on points. Renault he finished strong in 2020. McLaren has been the only real struggle for him. He may get back to form in another team if he gets that chance, maybe not but to suggest he is no good anymore is a bit premature and disrespectful of his talents shown over a long period in F1 imo.
He would have been utterly destroyed like he is being destroyed now. Some recent red bull cars have also been difficult to drive which Max has been able to adapt to. It's likely Ricciardo would have not been able to adapt as Max does. All the evidence points towards Ricciardo being comparatively a midfield driver now. There's far too much talent out there to be 7th or 8th best driver.
Hamilton
Russell
Verstappen
Leclerc
Norris
Alonso
Sainz
All faster than Ricciardo, all more adaptable than Riccardo. Sainz only just.
Arguably on the same level as
Perez. And I'm giving Ricciardo the benefit of the doubt here.
Magnussen who is ahead of him in the standings IN A HAAS WITH 4 DNF.
Unknowns are Gasly who has apparently come along, Schumacher who might end up developing very well, Bottas who falls short in wheel to wheel battles and consistency but has an edge it in adaptability and qualy pace.
I'm sorry but this is clearly anti-Ricciardo bias. You have no way of knowing how he would have performed staying on at Red Bull (where he performed admirably against Max over 3 years when taking into account the 8 2018 DNFs as well) and are clearly just focusing in on two seasons in McLaren's uniquely quirky cars and ignoring any nuances of what has actually occured race by race. Sure it doesn't fully remove blame from Dan with the overall disappointing performances at McLaren but it does shed some light on some of the scoreboard deficit and disappointing results which is only fair to take into account, rather than blindly proclaiming the scoreboard as gospel which a 5 year old could do.
He has driven alot of different cars over the many years he has been in motor racing and adapted, particularly going from AT to RBR and beating Vettel convincingly and also recently in Renault in 2020 after his combined input in the car design direction. This has included outdriving the car and putting it higher than it should have been quite often and also winning races in cars on merit that were not a clear WCC capable car which is no mean feat. Many seem to have forgotten what he is capable of. Even Marko said after his unbelievable 2018 Monaco win
""It was a serious problem and Daniel managed it unbelievably, unbelievable,” Marko told Sky F1."
"“I don't think any other driver could have done it."
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-auto ... GP-F1-news
Pretty high praise from Marko saying no other driver at the time, not Lewis, Max or Seb could have done what Dan did in that car to win Monaco. Just an example of what he can do when he was at one with the car. We will have to agree to disagree. I just hope he gets the chance to redeem himself in another team and recapture the form everyone knows he is capable of. We saw a glimpse of that as recently as last race with the double overtake on the Alpines.
