2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:20
organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 13:54
Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 13:15


From what I've been reading they will not bring an ERS upgrade to Spa but still take a new engine. Which brings into question the notion that Honda is even bringing an upgrade. Erik Van Haren, the Dutch reporter says they won't.

Not that surprising tbh, given how the fast-tracked last years ERS upgrade that was really for 2022.
Wazari said on the forum they would bring one after summer
So? Erik van Haren is the most well connected journalist in the paddock when it comes to RB. If he says so I'm in no position to doubt him.
Do you know who Wazari is :D =D> ?

I suspect something was lost in translation with van Haren. He is tier 1 for Red Bull as far as I'm concerned as well, but when it comes to Honda etc. I would always trust Wazari over them. Months ago he mentioned the major chassis upgrade that all of the outlets/journalists only mentioned last week for example. In same breath he stated the chassis upgrade, he refers to the post-summer ERS upgrade

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organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:36
Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:20
organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 13:54
Wazari said on the forum they would bring one after summer
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So? Erik van Haren is the most well connected journalist in the paddock when it comes to RB. If he says so I'm in no position to doubt him.
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Do you know who Wazari is :D =D> ?

I suspect something was lost in translation with van Haren. He is tier 1 for Red Bull as far as I'm concerned as well, but when it comes to Honda etc. I would always trust Wazari over them. Months ago he mentioned the major chassis upgrade that all of the outlets/journalists only mentioned last week for example. In same breath he stated the chassis upgrade, he refers to the post-summer ERS upgrade
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Wazari wrote:
13 Jun 2022, 03:11

There will be a significant upgrade to the ERS system after summer break and that along with a major chassis upgrade about the same time should bode well for RBR in the second half of the season.
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But he also mentioned some adjustments to the original upgrade plan, not sure exactly what that means
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organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:36
Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:20
organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 13:54


Wazari said on the forum they would bring one after summer
So? Erik van Haren is the most well connected journalist in the paddock when it comes to RB. If he says so I'm in no position to doubt him.
Do you know who Wazari is :D =D> ?

I suspect something was lost in translation with van Haren. He is tier 1 for Red Bull as far as I'm concerned as well, but when it comes to Honda etc. I would always trust Wazari over them. Months ago he mentioned the major chassis upgrade that all of the outlets/journalists only mentioned last week for example. In same breath he stated the chassis upgrade, he refers to the post-summer ERS upgrade
Yes, I've read many of his posts.

Don't think so, two tweets indicating the same thing. Unless they are lying about it to him, there doesn't seem to be an upgrade.
https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1 ... 8045335553
https://twitter.com/Zayn_Daniel10/statu ... 8078922754

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Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:54
organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:36
Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:20


So? Erik van Haren is the most well connected journalist in the paddock when it comes to RB. If he says so I'm in no position to doubt him.
Do you know who Wazari is :D =D> ?

I suspect something was lost in translation with van Haren. He is tier 1 for Red Bull as far as I'm concerned as well, but when it comes to Honda etc. I would always trust Wazari over them. Months ago he mentioned the major chassis upgrade that all of the outlets/journalists only mentioned last week for example. In same breath he stated the chassis upgrade, he refers to the post-summer ERS upgrade
Yes, I've read many of his posts.

Don't think so, two tweets indicating the same thing. Unless they are lying about it to him, there doesn't seem to be an upgrade.
https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1 ... 8045335553
https://twitter.com/Zayn_Daniel10/statu ... 8078922754
All those tweets are about Belgium, he is not saying Honda is not bringing an upgrade

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'After the summer break' doesn't mean Belgium. It means 'after the summer break'
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Dee wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 17:52
Cs98 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:54
organic wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 16:36


Do you know who Wazari is :D =D> ?

I suspect something was lost in translation with van Haren. He is tier 1 for Red Bull as far as I'm concerned as well, but when it comes to Honda etc. I would always trust Wazari over them. Months ago he mentioned the major chassis upgrade that all of the outlets/journalists only mentioned last week for example. In same breath he stated the chassis upgrade, he refers to the post-summer ERS upgrade
Yes, I've read many of his posts.

Don't think so, two tweets indicating the same thing. Unless they are lying about it to him, there doesn't seem to be an upgrade.
https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1 ... 8045335553
https://twitter.com/Zayn_Daniel10/statu ... 8078922754
All those tweets are about Belgium, he is not saying Honda is not bringing an upgrade
It would be very strange to take new engine components now without the upgrade, instead of waiting for the upgrade if there really is one. Max took a new engine in Hungary, so he could definitely have run the next few races with that and then taken the upgraded components. If these tweets are correct it just seems like there isn't one.

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New lighter monocoque has been used?

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Neuron wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:16
New lighter monocoque has been used?
I believe only in Singapore.

ES in Zandvoort.

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bas550 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:36
Neuron wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:16
New lighter monocoque has been used?
I believe only in Singapore.

ES in Zandvoort.
Where is that info from ?

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bas550 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:36
Neuron wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:16
New lighter monocoque has been used?
I believe only in Singapore.

ES in Zandvoort.
Won't Max have to take yet another grid penalty if he takes an ES in Zandvoort? This plan doesn't make sense.
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It's been mentioned on Motorsport.com that Verstappen has taken a new MGU-K and ES. This is likely the new spec that has been talked about by Horner, Wazari-san, and Honda personnel. Did it have to be Belgium that they introduce it? Probably not, but obviously they were going to introduce it this season before the deadline.
Red Bull has decided to change all the elements on Verstappen’s power unit, giving him a fresh engine, turbocharger, MGU-H, MGU-K, energy store and control electronics.
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As of the start of FP1, the team has only confirmed a change for an MGU-K and energy store, with the further changes set to follow.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10358207/

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So quite a bit of work for their Senior PU Assembly Technician. Great chat with Calum

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ispano6 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:57
It's been mentioned on Motorsport.com that Verstappen has taken a new MGU-K and ES. This is likely the new spec that has been talked about by Horner, Wazari-san, and Honda personnel. Did it have to be Belgium that they introduce it? Probably not, but obviously they were going to introduce it this season before the deadline.
Red Bull has decided to change all the elements on Verstappen’s power unit, giving him a fresh engine, turbocharger, MGU-H, MGU-K, energy store and control electronics.
...
As of the start of FP1, the team has only confirmed a change for an MGU-K and energy store, with the further changes set to follow.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10358207/
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Thank you for this post @ispano. 👍
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ispano6 wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 18:57
It's been mentioned on Motorsport.com that Verstappen has taken a new MGU-K and ES. This is likely the new spec that has been talked about by Horner, Wazari-san, and Honda personnel. Did it have to be Belgium that they introduce it? Probably not, but obviously they were going to introduce it this season before the deadline.
Red Bull has decided to change all the elements on Verstappen’s power unit, giving him a fresh engine, turbocharger, MGU-H, MGU-K, energy store and control electronics.
...
As of the start of FP1, the team has only confirmed a change for an MGU-K and energy store, with the further changes set to follow.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10358207/
Thanks :)