2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[saviour stivala]

Even a single cylinder engine is called an engine. But they make it sound like their for 2026 racing V-6 is already running. Whatever they have running Porsche does not have one single finger in, and if the Porsche dial materializes it is hard to visualize an RBR finger in a Porsche supplied engine.

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It's in RB best interest to be coy about the upgrades they bring. Rivals will be keen to know and of course look for opportunities to protest or raise doubt of compliance. That being said the RedBull bodywork was significantly different from the halo and side impact structure back. The sidepods kink is now slightly forward. The cooling requirements or ancillaries placement may have changed as could the CoG or center of forward-reward balance. Max was also instructed to lift and coast toward the end of the race so there probably was some margin for error or assurance they needed to consider.

Max was 20s clear with 10 laps to go! Of course he was told to lift & coast.. additionally, at one point GP tells max they're trying to keep him slower to prevent him catching up with lapped cars ahead which might've complicated things.

Max's radio from any of his wins this season they're always trying to get him to match p2's laptimes with lift and coasts once he has a safety car pit window

In other words new bodywork likely nothing to do with the lift-coast since it was not out of ordinary

[Stu]

Even a single cylinder engine is called an engine. But they make it sound like their for 2026 racing V-6 is already running. Whatever they have running Porsche does not have one single finger in, and if the Porsche dial materializes it is hard to visualize an RBR finger in a Porsche supplied engine.

That they have run the current ICE without the MGU-H connected already is not a surprise (I would be amazed if the others haven’t!); makes senses because you need a baseline to see where the removal of a key piece of PU equipment affects your ICE operation. If you don’t have a start point, you have nothing but assumptions to work from.

[saviour stivala]

This piece of news (RBPT has fired-up their own F1 engine) has been around for at least 4 weeks. Meaning that if it is anything other than a single cylinder experimental engine they have started on the job before the new engine configuration rules had been finalized. Now I know that F1’s 2026 package sounds and looks tailor-made for Porsche but to say that anybody have already fired-up their 2026 F1 specification engine is a bit like putting the cart before the horse.

[Just_a_fan]

Max's latest helmet design:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ykvCtjLwI

[RS200E]

This piece of news (RBPT has fired-up their own F1 engine) has been around for at least 4 weeks. Meaning that if it is anything other than a single cylinder experimental engine they have started on the job before the new engine configuration rules had been finalized. Now I know that F1’s 2026 package sounds and looks tailor-made for Porsche but to say that anybody have already fired-up their 2026 F1 specification engine is a bit like putting the cart before the horse.

Not really. The sooner the better. Or it'll end up another Honda esque disaster.

[ispano6]

Max was 20s clear with 10 laps to go! Of course he was told to lift & coast.. additionally, at one point GP tells max they're trying to keep him slower to prevent him catching up with lapped cars ahead which might've complicated things.

Max's radio from any of his wins this season they're always trying to get him to match p2's laptimes with lift and coasts once he has a safety car pit window

In other words new bodywork likely nothing to do with the lift-coast since it was not out of ordinary

Maybe you didn't understand what I was trying to get at- lift and coast can be for a number of reasons such as overheating mitigation, ensuring enough minimum fuel after the race, trying not to risk anything. We don't know if they feared being under fueled or were barely OK with the starting fuel amount to minimize weight. My comment was about the entire package and the sum of its parts.

[AR3-GP]

It's in RB best interest to be coy about the upgrades they bring. Rivals will be keen to know and of course look for opportunities to protest or raise doubt of compliance. That being said the RedBull bodywork was significantly different from the halo and side impact structure back. The sidepods kink is now slightly forward. The cooling requirements or ancillaries placement may have changed as could the CoG or center of forward-reward balance. Max was also instructed to lift and coast toward the end of the race so there probably was some margin for error or assurance they needed to consider.

Max was 20s clear with 10 laps to go! Of course he was told to lift & coast.. additionally, at one point GP tells max they're trying to keep him slower to prevent him catching up with lapped cars ahead which might've complicated things.

Max's radio from any of his wins this season they're always trying to get him to match p2's laptimes with lift and coasts once he has a safety car pit window

In other words new bodywork likely nothing to do with the lift-coast since it was not out of ordinary

Maybe you didn't understand what I was trying to get at- lift and coast can be for a number of reasons such as overheating mitigation, ensuring enough minimum fuel after the race, trying not to risk anything. We don't know if they feared being under fueled or were barely OK with the starting fuel amount to minimize weight. My comment was about the entire package and the sum of its parts.

They were trying to encourage him to slow down. The problem is he was already pacing himself.

[ispano6]

They were trying to encourage him to slow down. The problem is he was already pacing himself.

That's all good and fine, certainly they have their reasons.

[PlatinumZealot]

Max says the new chassis will come "later in the year". So it's publicly acknowledged it exists

How can they afford this? Have they found a loop hole. The rumours are very true then.

[PlatinumZealot]

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... engigkeit/

Seems RB-Porsche isn't a done deal by any stretch. Honda could be back in if the porsche deal doesn't go through. Sure, it's most likely to be bluffing/posturing by RB since they now hold all the cards (Porsche need to announce entry by September 11 due to their IPO rules - trying to go public)

RB Porsche is dead to me.

I see Porsche going over to Williams and shipping in talent.

[mendis]

Max says the new chassis will come "later in the year". So it's publicly acknowledged it exists

How can they afford this? Have they found a loop hole. The rumours are very true then.

Yes they are. Just like the plank flexing, FIA will catch them.

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Max says the new chassis will come "later in the year". So it's publicly acknowledged it exists

How can they afford this? Have they found a loop hole. The rumours are very true then.

couple of outlets reported that the new chassis was paid for with the money allowed to account for inflation

[langedweil]

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... engigkeit/

Seems RB-Porsche isn't a done deal by any stretch. Honda could be back in if the porsche deal doesn't go through. Sure, it's most likely to be bluffing/posturing by RB since they now hold all the cards (Porsche need to announce entry by September 11 due to their IPO rules - trying to go public)

RB Porsche is dead to me.

I see Porsche going over to Williams and shipping in talent.

I kinda feel the same .. I have the feeling they will continue with Honda. Which in a sense would be insane; they could possibly be dominating F1 for 4yrs without their name on the car.

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I think RB are just twisting their arm now that they have power over Porsche.

Porsche are going public so need to announce any plans related to their IPO by September 11th (so a certain amount of time can pass between that date and whenever they go public). Hence, Porsche need to announce any F1 entry now, or next year. However the deadline to announce 2026 entry with FIA is sooner than next year, and Porsche essentially have less than 2 weeks to either join with RB or not at all.

My suspicion is RB are using this temporary upper hand to get in place various assurances as part of the deal, eg marko/horner autonomy. RB can simply stipulate these things and play chicken with Porsche. If they don't like it, everyone knows Honda is waiting in the wings