Mercedes W13

[vorticism]

Did they not run a pre-season variant with widepods? This must have given them an indication of which part was the more troublesome

Was it for benchmarking or for secrecy?

[Shakeman]

Merc has pre season test data and all their simulation data which indicated to them that the current W13 was the way to go.

Lewis’ description of the car handling and straight line performance post Spa were absolutely damning, a complete 180 from the obvious excitement at the prospect of being back in the hunt for a win in the lead up to Spa. That excitement obviously came from sim data concerning the new update package which was a significant update not just tweaks. Clearly a huge amount of development hours and resources went into it for not a lot of returns.

Merc is obviously missing something fairly significant and I’m sure that’s goal number one to explain the glaring correlation problem. We might see both cars running different floors and setups during FPs until they get this cracked.

[Big Tea]

Under the current rulings now, when will they be able to test this car on a track?

[SmallSoldier]

Mercedes new rear wing:



Vía: Albert Fabrega


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Mercedes new rear wing:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202209 ... 41798a.jpg

Vía: Albert Fabrega


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Barcelona/monaco rear wing with the same wing tips as the other wings?

[SmallSoldier]

Mercedes new rear wing:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202209 ... 41798a.jpg

Vía: Albert Fabrega


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Barcelona/monaco rear wing with the same wing tips as the other wings?

Barcelona main plane… Monaco didn’t had the inverted spoon shape in the middle, right?

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Mercedes new rear wing:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202209 ... 41798a.jpg

Vía: Albert Fabrega


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Barcelona/monaco rear wing with the same wing tips as the other wings?

Barcelona main plane… Monaco didn’t had the inverted spoon shape in the middle, right?

[pursue_one's]

[SmallSoldier]

Barcelona/monaco rear wing with the same wing tips as the other wings?

Barcelona main plane… Monaco didn’t had the inverted spoon shape in the middle, right?

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2JA4AWC/lewis ... JA4AWC.jpg

Thanks! I stand corrected… Got confused

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https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ail-1.webp

Image from British GP of the same area
Image from March testing of the same area

[PlatinumZealot]

No Goblin wing then.. I really wonder if that rumour is true anyway.

[wjpbill]

No Goblin wing then.. I really wonder if that rumour is true anyway.

What is a Goblin wing?

[Mr5in1]

I've been hearing Merc running very low here in Netherlands, does anyone have any comparisons to Spa.

I have my own opinion that the lack of pure performance from Merc is a combination of floor + floor height and the weight of the car.

I thought the gulf in performance to Red Bull in Spa was purely down to ride height and qualifying I firmly believe it is down to weight which isn't so much of a factor with race fuel onboard.

[Andi76]

I've been hearing Merc running very low here in Netherlands, does anyone have any comparisons to Spa.

I have my own opinion that the lack of pure performance from Merc is a combination of floor + floor height and the weight of the car.

I thought the gulf in performance to Red Bull in Spa was purely down to ride height and qualifying I firmly believe it is down to weight which isn't so much of a factor with race fuel onboard.

In Spa Mercedes was said to have to run their cars 5mm higher. But at Spa this is completely normal. Because of the compression in Eau Rouge all the teams run their cars (almost)as high as possible. And the performance at Spa was not worse than on other tracks. The gap to Ferrari and all the other teams was literally the same as always.

One of the problems for the lack of performance was(once again) told by Toto and several engineers at Spa - the car is too "draggy". I think "carries too much drag"- was how Toto and the engineers had put it. So one of Mercedes problems is certainly aero-efficiency. And in history of F1 cars with similar performance problems like the Mercedes often had problems with the aerodynamics of their cars. So next to getting the tyres work in qualifying and the car being to draggy, i think Mercedes has some kind of aero-problem. But thats speculation and guessing anyway, as they admit that they themselves do not know the problem. If we would - we would get a job at the Mercedes F1-Team instantly.

[iRacer]

I've been hearing Merc running very low here in Netherlands, does anyone have any comparisons to Spa.

I have my own opinion that the lack of pure performance from Merc is a combination of floor + floor height and the weight of the car.

I thought the gulf in performance to Red Bull in Spa was purely down to ride height and qualifying I firmly believe it is down to weight which isn't so much of a factor with race fuel onboard.

In Spa Mercedes was said to have to run their cars 5mm higher. But at Spa this is completely normal. Because of the compression in Eau Rouge all the teams run their cars (almost)as high as possible. And the performance at Spa was not worse than on other tracks. The gap to Ferrari and all the other teams was literally the same as always.

One of the problems for the lack of performance was(once again) told by Toto and several engineers at Spa - the car is too "draggy". I think "carries too much drag"- was how Toto and the engineers had put it. So one of Mercedes problems is certainly aero-efficiency. And in history of F1 cars with similar performance problems like the Mercedes often had problems with the aerodynamics of their cars. So next to getting the tyres work in qualifying and the car being to draggy, i think Mercedes has some kind of aero-problem. But thats speculation and guessing anyway, as they admit that they themselves do not know the problem. If we would - we would get a job at the Mercedes F1-Team instantly.

Drag because they have to use more wing because they have to raise the ride height because because.

In a small way this Mercedes reminds me a bit of some older Williams cars when Williams always had less bodywork at the rear. Mercedes have went for less bodywork but seems like less is not always more.