2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[iRacer]

Ricciardo uncapable of overtaking Vettel with Drs. What a cáncer...

Only 7 races to go until he is gone. There's hope for Monza that he can do well but doubt it.

[billamend]

Monza will be awful for McLaren, expect them out of points.

[mwillems]

If the drag is such a problem then Monza will be a problem.

[munudeges]

Yet another disastrous race for Daniel Ricciardo. In my opinion they should replace him immediately with Oscar Piastri for the rest of the year.

Another poor weekend in general. His poor qualifying has squandered his weekend yet again. As we’ve seen from the rest of the field overtaking is very difficult at this track

The problem I have always had with Ricciardo is he has always got that big cheesy grin permanently plastered across his face, and he's still playing pranks on people. All that is great when things are going well but when you're being paid big money and your performances are a long way off your team is going to ask if you are taking things seriously. It appears Alpine won't have him back either.

[FittingMechanics]

Red Bull might just continue with what they are doing now and rebadge the engine as Porsche. Not like they don't have history of doing such a thing. Then it's just a case of Audi and Porsche injecting some of their ideas to the Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Powertrains to make it simply Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Volkswagen Audi Group Porsche Audi Powertrains.

Simple.

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

[iRacer]

Yet another disastrous race for Daniel Ricciardo. In my opinion they should replace him immediately with Oscar Piastri for the rest of the year.

Another poor weekend in general. His poor qualifying has squandered his weekend yet again. As we’ve seen from the rest of the field overtaking is very difficult at this track

The problem I have always had with Ricciardo is he has always got that big cheesy grin permanently plastered across his face, and he's still playing pranks on people. All that is great when things are going well but when you're being paid big money and your performances are a long way off your team is going to ask if you are taking things seriously. It appears Alpine won't have him back either.

He might be one of the lowest rated drivers on the grid atm. Heck.he might be even lower rated than some drivers not even on the grid just like we have seen with McLaren choosing Piastri over him. I'll give Riccardo the benefit of the doubt and say that this McLaren and the 2021 McLaren do have handling characteristics he cannot grasp. And even that is a serious flaw in a drivers CV. There are no sicknotes from mom in F1. Any F1 team taking Ricciardo on is taking a massive risk in that regard and I don't think he's as marketable as he once was. Not for any decent team anyway. Williams might be able to milk the smile and silly pranks a bit more.

[iRacer]

Red Bull might just continue with what they are doing now and rebadge the engine as Porsche. Not like they don't have history of doing such a thing. Then it's just a case of Audi and Porsche injecting some of their ideas to the Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Powertrains to make it simply Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Volkswagen Audi Group Porsche Audi Powertrains.

Simple.

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

[Big Tea]

Red Bull might just continue with what they are doing now and rebadge the engine as Porsche. Not like they don't have history of doing such a thing. Then it's just a case of Audi and Porsche injecting some of their ideas to the Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Powertrains to make it simply Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Volkswagen Audi Group Porsche Audi Powertrains.

Simple.

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

Its the same group as Audi, so would re badging be a big nono? they do it with the road cars.

(edit) I mean use the Audi engine.

[basti313]

Red Bull might just continue with what they are doing now and rebadge the engine as Porsche. Not like they don't have history of doing such a thing. Then it's just a case of Audi and Porsche injecting some of their ideas to the Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Powertrains to make it simply Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Volkswagen Audi Group Porsche Audi Powertrains.

Simple.

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

Why do you want an engine factory in GB? If anything Audi and Porsche will operate from Ingolstadt or Stuttgart. If you start building an engine factory today it will be ready half a year after the other manufacturers have already a running engine...
The big benefit of RB was that they had space in the factory before the new building is ready and that they could hire with the close proximity the guys from Brixworth. I simply do not see how McLaren could do something sililar now at their place...if anything Porsche and Audi will rely on the people that did the LMP1 engines.

[diffuser]

Seems a little harsh. His 2 years stint with Williams has really tarnished his reputation

It has. That has to do with the general public's understanding of the inner workings of a F1 team. The average person doen't realise that the job he did there(CFO) was different to what he had done before that. Although the situation at Williams didn't help, I can safely say nobody will ever give Paddy a Job as CFO again. I can only presume that whatever he did at Merc, McLaren and the first stint at williams all those years met with some satisfaction from his bosses over the years.

I'm guessing you mean CTO? I can't imagine they wanted him for his financial skills.

Yeah, thx type-o.

[The Prodigy]

Red Bull might just continue with what they are doing now and rebadge the engine as Porsche. Not like they don't have history of doing such a thing. Then it's just a case of Audi and Porsche injecting some of their ideas to the Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Powertrains to make it simply Red Bull Ex Honda Employee Volkswagen Audi Group Porsche Audi Powertrains.

Simple.

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

Why Porsche should set up an Engine factory in the UK? Porsche has enough money, resources and Germany has the best engineers in the world anyway to build the best F1 engine.

[blastdoman]

Ricciardo uncapable of overtaking Vettel with Drs. What a cáncer...

Only 7 races to go until he is gone. There's hope for Monza that he can do well but doubt it.

There the cancer will be the car mainly

[diffuser]

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

Why Porsche should set up an Engine factory in the UK? Porsche has enough money, resources and Germany has the best engineers in the world anyway to build the best F1 engine.

Ted's notebook described the RBR and Audi deal as stalled. Audi wants controlling interest and RBR want to remain independent, with only Partnering. One of the 2 parties has to bend on that front for the project to move forward.

The other thing is certain, the PU regs have been finalized, you must assume that Ferrari, Merc, Renault and maybe Honda (rumours of them buying SAT) have started design.

[Ground Effect]

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

Why Porsche should set up an Engine factory in the UK? Porsche has enough money, resources and Germany has the best engineers in the world anyway to build the best F1 engine.

Ted's notebook described the RBR and Audi deal as stalled. Audi wants controlling interest and RBR want to remain independent, with only Partnering. One of the 2 parties has to bend on that front for the project to move forward.

The other thing is certain, the PU regs have been finalized, you must assume that Ferrari, Merc, Renault and maybe Honda (rumours of them buying SAT) have started design.

Porsche, you mean.

[AR3-GP]

That's the point. If Red Bull - Porsche deal broke down, there will be no rebadging to Porsche. Porsche cannot invent a engine factory in UK. You can't buy up a different engine factory as there is none available. So there is no way to partner with McLaren unless if you rebadge Audi (something Audi said won't be done).

My point is that the story about the breakdown is probably bogus and that if Porsche comes into F1, it will be with Red Bull.

A main subsidiary of the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) car group in the world could possibly get a factory together in the UK or elsewhere especially when in partnership with McLaren. Another nice silver building next to the wind tunnel or road car building perhaps If anyone can do it they can. But it'll most likely be a simple rebadge and nothing ever to do with McLaren. Anything can happen in F1. Got to hand it to Red Bull though they are going to have a lot if expertise in the engine front. Ex Honda, poached talent and some new talent, then input from Porsche and VAG.

Why Porsche should set up an Engine factory in the UK? Porsche has enough money, resources and Germany has the best engineers in the world anyway to build the best F1 engine.

Mercedes has one in the UK.