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[AR3-GP]

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4 mil too much with Merc totalling red bull cars in Silverstone and Hungary, I would say well done by RB.

Not if other teams that suffered big losses on track didn't do so. Mercedes lost an entire car when Russell swiped Bottas, for example. Others had similarly expensive shunts.

Which makes a good case for excluding a certain amount of shunting from the regulations as teams cannot predict shunts before the season starts.

[napoleon1981]

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4 mil too much with Merc totalling red bull cars in Silverstone and Hungary, I would say well done by RB.

Not if other teams that suffered big losses on track didn't do so. Mercedes lost an entire car when Russell swiped Bottas, for example. Others had similarly expensive shunts.

That one wasnt too expensive for Merc. That got Lewis unlapped and a second place. That was one of the best investments of a car.

[AR3-GP]

4 mil too much with Merc totalling red bull cars in Silverstone and Hungary, I would say well done by RB.

Not if other teams that suffered big losses on track didn't do so. Mercedes lost an entire car when Russell swiped Bottas, for example. Others had similarly expensive shunts.

That one wasnt too expensive for Merc. That got Lewis unlapped and a second place. That was one of the best investments of a car.

well played.

[chrisc90]

I hope we will be ok, however I think it is 'wise' to use a little over budget given the little penalty you seem to get from the minor section. Any team would certainly be wise if they are good with upgrades to use the $7.25m to develop the car further.

Deliberately going over the budget cap is cheating, pure and simple.

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

[Tiny73]

I hope we will be ok, however I think it is 'wise' to use a little over budget given the little penalty you seem to get from the minor section. Any team would certainly be wise if they are good with upgrades to use the $7.25m to develop the car further.

Deliberately going over the budget cap is cheating, pure and simple.

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

It’s outside of the rules, it’s cheating. You can justify any way you wish.

[Quantum]

I hope we will be ok, however I think it is 'wise' to use a little over budget given the little penalty you seem to get from the minor section. Any team would certainly be wise if they are good with upgrades to use the $7.25m to develop the car further.

Deliberately going over the budget cap is cheating, pure and simple.

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

If the facts come out and it suggests a clear breach, I don't see how you can defend it that way.
It literally is cheating IF this is the case

[carisi2k]

I wonder if this isn't coming from the same people who claimed that red bull had a cheater floor. Same people who have claimed that Red Bull have a new chassis. Same people trying to get Lewis his 8th world title.

[chrisc90]

Deliberately going over the budget cap is cheating, pure and simple.

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

It’s outside of the rules, it’s cheating. You can justify any way you wish.

It’s technically not outside the rules though. The rules give an ‘allowance’ or structured penalties for how far you go over. The point you have to question, is spending $7.25m worth a reduction in championship points, or sitting out a stage in next years competition? Is it worth losing say $5m on this years cost cap? Is it worth losing out on a little bit of wind tunnel time?

The penalty isn’t exactly severe really. I mean even if a team was in the major infringement - do you really think the FIA is going to stop them racing for a whole season? Very very unlikely. At most you will get a bit budget knocked off for the current year or a few constructor points lost. The others just seem so implausible.

It’s a bit like cutting a corner or running with 29times… is the risk of doing that and gaining say 0.2 seconds each time worth the risk of a 5 second penalty at the end of your race if you got caught.

[chrisc90]

Risk vs reward…

Is it worth turning your engine up to the max so it only lasts 2-3 races, then throw unlimited budget at a fresh PU knowing your only going to get a 5place grid penalty for taking a new PU. Knowing full well your PU’s power drops off significantly after 2 races.

Same principle.

[napoleon1981]

Deliberately going over the budget cap is cheating, pure and simple.

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

If the facts come out and it suggests a clear breach, I don't see how you can defend it that way.
It literally is cheating IF this is the case

I think we need a Ferrari Engine settlement solution: a non disclosure agreement, and a RB advisory role in the enforcement of budgetcaps.

[Tiny73]

Risk vs reward…

Is it worth turning your engine up to the max so it only lasts 2-3 races, then throw unlimited budget at a fresh PU knowing your only going to get a 5place grid penalty for taking a new PU. Knowing full well your PU’s power drops off significantly after 2 races.

Same principle.

No, it’s categorically not. Keep justifying the cheating all you like but the cap is there for a reason and breaching it is against the rules.

[napoleon1981]

Risk vs reward…

Is it worth turning your engine up to the max so it only lasts 2-3 races, then throw unlimited budget at a fresh PU knowing your only going to get a 5place grid penalty for taking a new PU. Knowing full well your PU’s power drops off significantly after 2 races.

Same principle.

No, it’s categorically not. Keep justifying the cheating all you like but the cap is there for a reason and breaching it is against the rules.

Lets wait and see what comes out. For now RB claims a budget under the cap was submitted. The rest are rumors.

[mendis]

Deliberately going over the budget cap is cheating, pure and simple.

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

If the facts come out and it suggests a clear breach, I don't see how you can defend it that way.
It literally is cheating IF this is the case

Let the facts come out! We live in a world where people are trigger happy and crucify before the facts are established. If FIA establishes that RB has violated rules, then the legal process should follow. Rumors are not facts!

[zibby43]

So is a lot of other things in the sport. If it was cheating, it would be a clear cut break of the rules with the worst punishments, not a scale of if you go 7.25m over you get a minor, or over you get a major. It would be major regardless.

You use the rule book to your advantage.

If the facts come out and it suggests a clear breach, I don't see how you can defend it that way.
It literally is cheating IF this is the case

Let the facts come out! We live in a world where people are trigger happy and crucify before the facts are established. If FIA establishes that RB has violated rules, then the legal process should follow. Rumors are not facts!

Agree that the investigation’s results need to be published for transparency’s sake. If the allegations are true, I don’t think disqualification from the 2021 and 2022 championships is out of order. Otherwise, the cap is meaningless, and a massive baked-in advantage borne out of violating the cap will spill over for years to come.

[Tvetovnato]

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Yes, in the FIA thread. The rumor says RBR spent 4 million to much.

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FIA Statement on Financial Regulations
30.09.22

The FIA is currently finalising the assessment of the 2021 financial data submitted by all Formula 1 teams.
Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations.

The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter,
and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.

4 mil too much with Merc totalling red bull cars in Silverstone and Hungary, I would say well done by RB.

I would say that if your job is to abide to a budget cap, the first thing you do is allocate money for a risk that has been prevalent for ever in the sport you are in. Otherwise you probably deserve a penalty for being terrible at your job.

Other teams managed to do that just fine, so why couldn’t RB?

It always seemed quite strange that RB could literally throw upgrades to the RB16B at almost every race last year without sacrificing anything for this year. If this is all true, they might as well throw the 2021 championship in the bin.