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[Espresso]

The fact that Horner is going on the aggressive threatening legal action makes me think there is no actual overspending on their behalf, but then it would also be weird for both Mercedes and Ferrari to come out with heavy accusations without something to back it up rather than just based on what they have spent

Like the heavy accusations we had from Toto and Mercedes that Red Bulls floor was illegal? We were told from them for weeks Red Bull were cheating and once the TD is enforced it would move Red Bull back.

Ended up being total BS. Toto is a talker and a bluffer.

I really hope this particular issue blows up in Toto's face. The way he has been talking, it should be humiliating if it comes out that Red Bull are in the clear. Arguably the most embarrassing moment of his career, and that is without whatever legal action Red Bull take

Left or right it's bad for Toto
Either he's lying, prone to defamation..
Either he has influence within the FIA, proven by the availability of the floor adjustment the Saturday morning after the surprise Friday evening rule changes.
If it is the second case..it implies possible access by Toto of all car designs..

[Espresso]

The fact that Horner is going on the aggressive threatening legal action makes me think there is no actual overspending on their behalf, but then it would also be weird for both Mercedes and Ferrari to come out with heavy accusations without something to back it up rather than just based on what they have spent

Like the heavy accusations we had from Toto and Mercedes that Red Bulls floor was illegal? We were told from them for weeks Red Bull were cheating and once the TD is enforced it would move Red Bull back.

Ended up being total BS. Toto is a talker and a bluffer.

I really hope this particular issue blows up in Toto's face. The way he has been talking, it should be humiliating if it comes out that Red Bull are in the clear. Arguably the most embarrassing moment of his career, and that is without whatever legal action Red Bull take

Left or right it's bad for Toto
Either he's lying, prone to defamation..
Either he has influence within the FIA, strongly supported by the availability of the floor adjustment the Saturday morning after the surprise Friday evening rule changes.
That might be the reason the Audit takes ages...Toto looking for an opportunity to knock out RB...
If it is the second case..it implies possible access by Toto of all car designs..

[PlatinumZealot]

Earthquake... New estimates are 10 million. Let's see where it goes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull- ... l-offence/

[ispano6]

Earthquake... New estimates are 10 million. Let's see where it goes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull- ... l-offence/

How much does an F1 car cost?

In 2021, Motor Sport Magazine came together with F1 Chief Technical Director Pat Symonds to figure out how much a modern F1 car costs and came up with some eye-opening numbers.

Engine: $18.32 million
Chasis: $707,000
Gearbox: $354,000
Hydraulics: $170,000
Rear wing: $85,000-$150,000
Front wing/nose cone: $141,500
Floor and bargeboards: $141,000
Brake discs and pads: $78,000
Small components: $51,000
Steering wheel: $50,000
Fuel tank: $31,000
Halo: $17,000
Tires: $3,000 per set
TOTAL: $20.62 million

Umm, Silverstone and Hungary? Mercedes certainly didn't pay the bill!

[chrisc90]

Max needs just 8points clear of Charles and 10 for Perez I believe in Japan?

[kediown]

Max needs just 8points clear of Charles and 10 for Perez I believe in Japan?

6 for Perez, then he's the champion

[chrisc90]

112 points left AFTER Japan.

Max currently leads Charles by 104 points and Checo 106.

So needs to be 8 points ahead of Charles and 6 for Perez.

So if Max finishes P1 with Fastest Lap in Japan and Charles P2, he's won the title. Since he would be equal on points with Charles. Max would have 367 and Charles 255. 112 difference with equal amount of points remaining, but Max would have greater race wins.

[PlatinumZealot]

Earthquake... New estimates are 10 million. Let's see where it goes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull- ... l-offence/

How much does an F1 car cost?

In 2021, Motor Sport Magazine came together with F1 Chief Technical Director Pat Symonds to figure out how much a modern F1 car costs and came up with some eye-opening numbers.

Engine: $18.32 million
Chasis: $707,000
Gearbox: $354,000
Hydraulics: $170,000
Rear wing: $85,000-$150,000
Front wing/nose cone: $141,500
Floor and bargeboards: $141,000
Brake discs and pads: $78,000
Small components: $51,000
Steering wheel: $50,000
Fuel tank: $31,000
Halo: $17,000
Tires: $3,000 per set
TOTAL: $20.62 million

Umm, Silverstone and Hungary? Mercedes certainly didn't pay the bill!

Read the article and gauge the price of development. It didn't mention spares which are orders cheaper than developing upgrades.

[Zynerji]

Earthquake... New estimates are 10 million. Let's see where it goes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull- ... l-offence/

How much does an F1 car cost?

In 2021, Motor Sport Magazine came together with F1 Chief Technical Director Pat Symonds to figure out how much a modern F1 car costs and came up with some eye-opening numbers.

Engine: $18.32 million
Chasis: $707,000
Gearbox: $354,000
Hydraulics: $170,000
Rear wing: $85,000-$150,000
Front wing/nose cone: $141,500
Floor and bargeboards: $141,000
Brake discs and pads: $78,000
Small components: $51,000
Steering wheel: $50,000
Fuel tank: $31,000
Halo: $17,000
Tires: $3,000 per set
TOTAL: $20.62 million

Umm, Silverstone and Hungary? Mercedes certainly didn't pay the bill!

Read the article and gauge the price of development. It didn't mention spares which are orders cheaper than developing upgrades.

How on Earth is a metal engine $18m? Is that a per unit / r&d spend figure?

[chrisc90]

Engines and their development are outside the costcap anyhow.

[PlatinumZealot]

Umm, Silverstone and Hungary? Mercedes certainly didn't pay the bill!

Read the article and gauge the price of development. It didn't mention spares which are orders cheaper than developing upgrades.

How on Earth is a metal engine $18m? Is that a per unit / r&d spend figure?

Must be the season price for the a certain number of engines and the staff support. I cant say if its for eight or ten engines though. In 2014 Renault engine package was the most expensive at 30 million.

[Zynerji]

Read the article and gauge the price of development. It didn't mention spares which are orders cheaper than developing upgrades.

How on Earth is a metal engine $18m? Is that a per unit / r&d spend figure?

Must be the season price for the a certain number of engines and the staff support. I cant say if its for eight or ten engines though. In 2014 Renault engine package was the most expensive at 30 million.

Imagine what they could save if they mandated cast aluminum block/heads, and were allowed to rebuild the engines during the season.

[mendis]

Earthquake... New estimates are 10 million. Let's see where it goes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull- ... l-offence/

I wonder what stopped the writers of the article from claiming 25 million?

[AR3-GP]

Engines and their development are outside the costcap anyhow.

That engine figure is incorrect. The entire season allocation of engines (6 + 5000km testing ) is cost capped at 15 million euros.

That is unless engine manufacturers are operating at an absolutely catastrophic loss, which is unlikely since Mercedes wouldn't be paying/subsidizing 3 teams to run their engine.