Old:
New:
New ducting only present on one car this weekend. Probably just for max
Good shot of the tub, showing the undercut on the sides:Blackout wrote: ↑04 Oct 2022, 11:38Completely opposite packaging between MCL/RB, even though both have a compressor at the back of the tub, & use air air intercoolers. MCL puts the coolers so far forward* & away, with no undercuts on their tub, while RB did everything to put them right at the compressor, and dug large indurcuts in the sides for this purpose, & created those exotic floating mounting points (number 3 & 4) to make even more room (for the opposite compressor duct, I guess, & other things)
https://i.imgur.com/gouSIM2.jpg
https://twitter.com/NicolasF1i
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeJZhxPXEAE ... name=large
They actually have two beam wings. One immediately above the diffuser lip that obviously acts to extend the diffuser - a nice detail. And they have a "beam" significantly above that which, presumably, is intended to act as the beam part of the beam wing. No doubt the two interact to some degree.
Good point, I'm blind. This type of configuration first appeared on the Alpine at Baku I believe:Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:33They actually have two beam wings. One immediately above the diffuser lip that obviously acts to extend the diffuser - a nice detail. And they have a "beam" significantly above that which, presumably, is intended to act as the beam part of the beam wing. No doubt the two interact to some degree.
Hey, you're bringing these photos to the forum so need to apologise.organic wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:39Good point, I'm blind. This type of configuration first appeared on the Alpine at Baku I believe:Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:33They actually have two beam wings. One immediately above the diffuser lip that obviously acts to extend the diffuser - a nice detail. And they have a "beam" significantly above that which, presumably, is intended to act as the beam part of the beam wing. No doubt the two interact to some degree.
https://i.imgur.com/uWDycKT.png
My potentially flawed intuition is that the top beam is mostly used to help evacuate hot air from the exhaust, in the centre between the RW and the lower BW element - the least bad place to do it. Also it may help to separate the "upper" flow from the lower flow. My assumption is that they are attempting to separate the upper flow from lower with the shoulder of the engine cover, brought at Silverstone. Deliver good airflow to the lower BW element and remove lossy air along the engine cover shoulder. This sort of engine cover shoulder was present on the Alpine when they first brought this BW config, and now RB have the sculpted engine cover they also bring this BW..Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:54Hey, you're bringing these photos to the forum so need to apologise.organic wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:39Good point, I'm blind. This type of configuration first appeared on the Alpine at Baku I believe:Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:33
They actually have two beam wings. One immediately above the diffuser lip that obviously acts to extend the diffuser - a nice detail. And they have a "beam" significantly above that which, presumably, is intended to act as the beam part of the beam wing. No doubt the two interact to some degree.
https://i.imgur.com/uWDycKT.png
The split beam is interesting and I wonder what it does compared to the double flap beam wing normally used.
Aston Martin is convinced that the outstanding top speed of the RB18 is not only due to its aerodynamic efficiency. "Look at the Red Bull's speed profile on the straights. They only really pick up speed in the second half." Charles Leclerc is also convinced: "It's not just about aerodynamics. There's something mechanical behind it."
Some rear facing onboards would be usefulMercedes engineers noticed: "When stationary, the Red Bull has the highest ground clearance at the rear, and the lowest at high speeds."
The former top speed kings have refrained from taking their old trick into the ground effect era. "To do something like that with a conventional chassis takes up space and weight. We had neither one nor the other." Red Bull has wisely invested in this direction and is now getting the reward. While that may have contributed to the car's high weight at the start of the season, it's easier to shed weight than retrofit the chassis. And when you lose weight, you automatically get more lap time.
Red Bull did it first. (and the pic is from NicolasF1i https://f1i.autojournal.fr/organic wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:39Good point, I'm blind. This type of configuration first appeared on the Alpine at Baku I believe:
https://i.imgur.com/uWDycKT.png
Credit: Our own Blackout
You're right it was Imola where we first saw that BW config and on the RB .. mbBlackout wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:26Red Bull did it first. (and the pic is from NicolasF1i https://f1i.autojournal.fr/organic wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 10:39Good point, I'm blind. This type of configuration first appeared on the Alpine at Baku I believe:
https://i.imgur.com/uWDycKT.png
Credit: Our own Blackout
i dont understand these obsession with redbull top speed and the need to constantly qualify it,i quess the car is power by which-craft not the engine so lets get that out of the way.the same can be said about redbull the like of ferrari and merc try to undermine them at every turn.first they were using an illegal floor or their budget is over the limit.merc just can't admit they have been dethroned by a drinks company.the best or nothing right.organic wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:07https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ison-2022/
More about the RB's "trick" rear that causes excessive top speeds. The RB18 generates good load but very high top speeds.
Aston Martin is convinced that the outstanding top speed of the RB18 is not only due to its aerodynamic efficiency. "Look at the Red Bull's speed profile on the straights. They only really pick up speed in the second half." Charles Leclerc is also convinced: "It's not just about aerodynamics. There's something mechanical behind it."Some rear facing onboards would be usefulMercedes engineers noticed: "When stationary, the Red Bull has the highest ground clearance at the rear, and the lowest at high speeds."
The former top speed kings have refrained from taking their old trick into the ground effect era. "To do something like that with a conventional chassis takes up space and weight. We had neither one nor the other." Red Bull has wisely invested in this direction and is now getting the reward. While that may have contributed to the car's high weight at the start of the season, it's easier to shed weight than retrofit the chassis. And when you lose weight, you automatically get more lap time.
How do you explain williams relative underperformance when merc was winning world champions.you can put the best pu on a tractor it wont transform it into champ winning race car.AT speed is still great at top speed,miami Alonzo with drs could not overtake Gasly on the straight he eventually collide into him on desperation.spa and baku were great race for them but strategy errors meant they failed to capitalise on their speed.
If Merc and Ferrari can copy this trick and RB's top speed advantage is lost next year, they need to start improving on other areas like peak DF etc to stay competitive. Could be an exciting season next year with all 3 top teams really close.organic wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:07https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ison-2022/
More about the RB's "trick" rear that causes excessive top speeds. The RB18 generates good load but very high top speeds.
Aston Martin is convinced that the outstanding top speed of the RB18 is not only due to its aerodynamic efficiency. "Look at the Red Bull's speed profile on the straights. They only really pick up speed in the second half." Charles Leclerc is also convinced: "It's not just about aerodynamics. There's something mechanical behind it."Some rear facing onboards would be usefulMercedes engineers noticed: "When stationary, the Red Bull has the highest ground clearance at the rear, and the lowest at high speeds."
The former top speed kings have refrained from taking their old trick into the ground effect era. "To do something like that with a conventional chassis takes up space and weight. We had neither one nor the other." Red Bull has wisely invested in this direction and is now getting the reward. While that may have contributed to the car's high weight at the start of the season, it's easier to shed weight than retrofit the chassis. And when you lose weight, you automatically get more lap time.