Two-Tier system to be scrapped.

[Conceptual]

What regs will then be canned? I mean, the buzz that went through this board alone about the possibility of active aero, double KERS limits, and AWD was like a lightning bolt.

I hope that the 2010 capped team regs stay, and the uncapped regs go.

Great interview on the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 052848.stm

Max doesn't sound as bad as I expected to be honest, and he hints that there will be technology sharing (something that I have suggested for a long time) instead of the tiers.

What does everyone think about this interview? Max doesn't want to budge on the 40M Pounds, but what else can be done at this point? I mean, if they keep the cap regs and the 40M cap, then this is just going to be exactly what the FIA already passed, and all teams getting under the cap.

And the Toyota guy tried to get FOTA to walk out with him when they were told that the cap WILL happen, and he was ignored by the rest of the members...lol

Mosley says in this interview that the FOTA did not, in fact, submit their own system of reducing budgets, but I recall reading that their system was ignored.

Did the FOTA submit a cost reduction strategy?

What regs will(should) stay, and what ones will go?

What tech can all teams share without compromising the constructors championship?

This interview has changed my view a bit, but as always, I am careful of how much I believe every word that comes out of a lawyers mouth...

Intelligent comments are welcome, the un-intelligent ones can watch the grown-ups talk and hopefully learn for next time!

Thanks!

[timbo]

Seems not to work for me, maybe only for UK residents?
Could you, please, review interview with MM, and that BE thing on two-tier being scrapped? Also, do you know the timing of Bernie's comment?
With things changing so fast it is important to put things int perspective.

[WhiteBlue]

This was obviously a week ago and it explains the FIA position which is quite reasonable if you take away some of the crap shots that over wined and dined journos have been taking.

The main message is that the FIA wants the championship to be anchored to a budget figure. Imagine two teams of engineers being set on the same task. One is given four times the development budget and resources of the other. Do you expect the manager who leads the team 2 to stay or even to pick up the challenge?

The same is true for F1. You have a vacancy in the premier league for years and nobody wants to come in and compete? Come on, get real!! There must be a reason for that! The reason is that Ferrari, Honda, Toyota, Red Bull, Renault, McLaren, BMW, and all other teams have been screwing teams like Super Aguri over all the time by having three or four times the players on the field and the umpire looking the other way.

This has to be rectified to make things right and I agree with that.

[flynfrog]

I think Mosley should be booted out of F1.

Open the rules up scrap the budget cap.

I think technology sharing with out monetary compensation is one of the dumbest idea I have ever heard. This is a business not a charity. If one team wants to sell another an engine by all means let them.

Even in spec racing money wins. look at Indy Nascar or Briggs karts.

Also the idea of a budget cap will never work. How does the FIA plan to enforce this? You think teams will do it on there own good will. They were doing a pretty good job of doing it them selfs. Teams spent what they could some didnt plan very will and are now gone. (super aguri)

[flynfrog]

Adding a budget cap to F1 is like saying well this guy without an arm wants to play so I need all of you to cut off one of your arms so he has a chance.

[Conceptual]

I think Mosley should be booted out of F1.

Open the rules up scrap the budget cap.

I think technology sharing with out monetary compensation is one of the dumbest idea I have ever heard. This is a business not a charity. If one team wants to sell another an engine by all means let them.

Even in spec racing money wins. look at Indy Nascar or Briggs karts.

Also the idea of a budget cap will never work. How does the FIA plan to enforce this? You think teams will do it on there own good will. They were doing a pretty good job of doing it them selfs. Teams spent what they could some didnt plan very will and are now gone. (super aguri)

I think that SA were among the BEST at getting the biggest bang for their buck.

I hope that Super Aguri are amongst the applicants next week for the cap.

Shared technology doesn't necessarily mean "giving it away", but possibly co-development to lower cost? Like a McLaren/Force India situation, but with more depth.

Regardless of what happens, I will be sure to tune in to see what unfolds!

[flynfrog]

I think Mosley should be booted out of F1.

Open the rules up scrap the budget cap.

I think technology sharing with out monetary compensation is one of the dumbest idea I have ever heard. This is a business not a charity. If one team wants to sell another an engine by all means let them.

Even in spec racing money wins. look at Indy Nascar or Briggs karts.

Also the idea of a budget cap will never work. How does the FIA plan to enforce this? You think teams will do it on there own good will. They were doing a pretty good job of doing it them selfs. Teams spent what they could some didnt plan very will and are now gone. (super aguri)

I think that SA were among the BEST at getting the biggest bang for their buck.

I hope that Super Aguri are amongst the applicants next week for the cap.

Shared technology doesn't necessarily mean "giving it away", but possibly co-development to lower cost? Like a McLaren/Force India situation, but with more depth.

Regardless of what happens, I will be sure to tune in to see what unfolds!

I don't disagree they did very well with what they had. They also managed to get sponsors that didn't pay up and relied heavily on Honda generosity. That was not good business practice hence they are now gone.


I have no problem letting a team sell off some of there technology to another team. I do have a problem with the rules mandating it like setting the cost of an engine.

[WhiteBlue]

Flynfrog's position is radical and not practical. All engineering jobs nowadays are done on a budget and allowing the fat cats to run unlimited budgets will simply bankrupt more and more teams until there are just 2 or 3 left.

I do not think that Super Aguri took the fall because they were taking bad business decisions. They went under because Nick Fry realised that they were showing him up for the fool he is and he sabotaged their business and desroyed every chance they had to continue in other hands.

If SA had been given 2% of the terms that Brawn GP got out of Honda they would be running mid field by now. I'm not only going to eat a balaclava, but drink Flynfrogs old oil change and eat his sweaty socks on that.

Unfortunately Aguri Suzuki has officially denied that the team could apply for an F1 spot under the current circumstances. They have lost so much money and all resources that there is zero chance of that happening.

[Conceptual]

Flynfrog's position is radical and not practical. All engineering jobs nowadays are done on a budget and allowing the fat cats to run unlimited budgets will simply bankrupt more and more teams until there are just 2 or 3 left.

I do not think that Super Aguri took the fall because they were taking bad business decisions. They went under because Nick Fry realised that they were showing him up for the fool he is and he sabotaged their business and desroyed every chance they had to continue in other hands.

If SA had been given 2% of the terms that Brawn GP got out of Honda they would be running mid field by now. I'm not only going to eat a balaclava, but drink Flynfrogs old oil change and eat his sweaty socks on that.

Unfortunately Aguri Suzuki has officially denied that the team could apply for an F1 spot under the current circumstances. They have lost so much money and all resources that there is zero chance of that happening.

Well, there may be a Toyota F1 team for sale very soon, so don't count Aguri-san out yet!

And I am waiting for some BBC pundit to actually ask Ross about what went down with Super Aguri last year, and how much that the SA staff may have contributed to the BGP-001...

[WhiteBlue]

I do not think that AS would look for a high tech factory in Germany, but for a VW/Audi/Porsche entry it could be a nice windfall.

[ISLAMATRON]

absolutely

[flynfrog]

Flynfrog's position is radical and not practical. All engineering jobs nowadays are done on a budget and allowing the fat cats to run unlimited budgets will simply bankrupt more and more teams until there are just 2 or 3 left.

I do not think that Super Aguri took the fall because they were taking bad business decisions. They went under because Nick Fry realised that they were showing him up for the fool he is and he sabotaged their business and desroyed every chance they had to continue in other hands.

If SA had been given 2% of the terms that Brawn GP got out of Honda they would be running mid field by now. I'm not only going to eat a balaclava, but drink Flynfrogs old oil change and eat his sweaty socks on that.

Unfortunately Aguri Suzuki has officially denied that the team could apply for an F1 spot under the current circumstances. They have lost so much money and all resources that there is zero chance of that happening.

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Hmm thats odd its worked for 60 years

Teams don't have an unlimited budget they have they money they gained from where ever that is the limiting factor.

I budget cap will only result in more teams exploiting the fact there are not enough auditors in the world to catch them. Not to mention that now more than ever the race winner will be determined in court not on the track