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Looks like black paint to me to hide the carbon layups. Perhaps the floor is designed to flex a ceratin way?
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PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 01:36
Looks like black paint to me to hide the carbon layups. Perhaps the floor is designed to flex a ceratin way?
Looks vapor smoothed 3d printed filament to me. You can about see the ghosting of the layer lines near the rear tyre.

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Sounds too weak for the job of a diffuser. Good amount of stiffness would be needed.
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PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 02:37
Sounds too weak for the job of a diffuser. Good amount of stiffness would be needed.
You should look into CF-PEKK and CF-PPSU.

They are almost interchangeable with aluminum.๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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Mercedes has to modify new front wing design(reduce the size og the slot gap separators) after FIA complaint

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pursue_one's wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 04:24
Mercedes has to modify new front wing design(reduce the size og the slot gap separators) after FIA complaint

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 946103.jpg

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... uegel-fia/
Seems like FIA is not happy with the size of 'Goblin'. :)

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Zynerji wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 03:17
PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 02:37
Sounds too weak for the job of a diffuser. Good amount of stiffness would be needed.
You should look into CF-PEKK and CF-PPSU.

They are almost interchangeable with aluminum.๐Ÿ˜ฎ
Please tell me you aren't referring to that crap $1k/kg stuff that any decent enthusiasts printer can run.
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dans79 wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 05:28
Zynerji wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 03:17
PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 02:37
Sounds too weak for the job of a diffuser. Good amount of stiffness would be needed.
You should look into CF-PEKK and CF-PPSU.

They are almost interchangeable with aluminum.๐Ÿ˜ฎ
Please tell me you aren't referring to that crap $1k/kg stuff that any decent enthusiasts printer can run.
Sure. There are amorphous and crystalline material filaments to fit the need. AM have been using printed steering wheels for years.

Please define "crap". Do you work worth this stuff and have actual knowledge about it? And why would it matter if a basic printer could make it? You sound rather elitist.

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Zynerji wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 03:17
PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 02:37
Sounds too weak for the job of a diffuser. Good amount of stiffness would be needed.
You should look into CF-PEKK and CF-PPSU.

They are almost interchangeable with aluminum.๐Ÿ˜ฎ
It's a chopped carbon fibre filament. I have seen these 3d printed Chopped fibre tested on youtube. it has to be very finely choped to be printed out the nozzle so you can imagine much directional strength is lost. It's has to be finished by hand too to get it looking nice when done. It doesn't come out as nice as the diffuser image you see there.

In fact it might even be better to print that part out of metal if you just need to test a new shape.
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PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 11:40
Zynerji wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 03:17
PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 02:37
Sounds too weak for the job of a diffuser. Good amount of stiffness would be needed.
You should look into CF-PEKK and CF-PPSU.

They are almost interchangeable with aluminum.๐Ÿ˜ฎ
It's a chopped carbon fibre filament. I have seen these 3d printed Chopped fibre tested on youtube. it has to be very finely choped to be printed out the nozzle so you can imagine much directional strength is lost. It's has to be finished by hand too to get it looking nice when done. It doesn't come out as nice as the diffuser image you see there.

In fact it might even be better to print that part out of metal if you just need to test a new shape.
You should look a bit deeper. CF-PEKK is FAA approved for finished parts in airplanes and helicopters. And the surface finish can be chemical vapor "smoothed", creating a continuous outer shell. It could, very easily, work as a load bearing part. I see no reason why it couldn't work as an air duct.

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Post a photo or better yet videos of it being used in making something and of the vapour smoothing process and you will see.

Btw it's an alternative to PEEK so that sorta tells you how it is.

doing your work for you.

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PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 14:23
Post a photo or better yet videos of it being used in making something and of the vapour smoothing process and you will see.

Btw it's an alternative to PEEK so that sorta tells you how it is.

doing your work for you.

https://youtu.be/PV5luJxosOo

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It's just a cover as he says. It can be anything. Someone further up in the posts thought it was part of the diffuser itself. I was arguing rrom the point of the diffuser (the area behind that cover). So this whole coversation is moot.
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PlatinumZealot wrote: โ†‘
22 Oct 2022, 14:43
It's just a cover as he says. It can be anything. Someone further up in the posts thought it was part of the diffuser itself. I was arguing rrom the point of the diffuser (the area behind that cover). So this whole coversation is moot.
Better to end the speculation. Now we can concentrate on the new Front wing, and it's legality!๐Ÿคฃ

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Are those deflectors significant enough to push air that far outboard? Or are they just disturbing it so to speak? Creating vortices?