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Competitors going backwards has nothing to do with your reaction to RB18's aero efficiency. More specifically, when you make that comment against a piece of information about PU advantage. Even before the TD039, RB18 was killing it in races. So TD039 didn't change that fact a whole lot, while it did make it easy for RB18. It's unfortunate from a Ferrari standpoint, but that still doesn't put a question mark on aero efficiency of RB18.
I don't buy it. Early season you could easily tell from telemetry traces ferrari had faster acceleration up to ~260-280 kmh than red bull, despite RB being less draggy, something that was obvious for everyone to see. This could be down to RB being overweight at the time, however even now ferrari has a very slight edge in this regard (or at worst they are equal), while having to overcome inherently more drag they are carrying.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2022, 11:00You weren't clear if you asked about top speed since you mentioned race-pace advantage, which is now mostly because of TD039.
Early in the season I was convinced RB had 5-10HP more than Ferrari and had slightly lower drag, which combined a 10+kmh top speed difference with DRS. This drag was mostly due to DRS flap size. When Ferrari introduced 3 redesigned wings with bigger DRS flaps, speed difference was a lot smaller.
It's quite easy to get skewed numbers for power and drag when you rely on gossip as information. Early gossip was Ferrari had power advantage, which would mean RB had 6-7% less drag than Ferrari with DRS on. If we turn the power around, you get 2-3% lower drag for RB. 6.5% vs 2.5% difference is significant and I'm more inclined with the latter. Kudos to Honda.
So it's done.The FIA also stated that had Red Bull applied the correct treatment of its Notional Tax Credit worth £1.4m as part of the submission, then it would only have been in breach by £432,652, or 0.37%.
The 10% fall in aerodynamic testing will be applied in relation to Red Bulls permitted wind tunnel testing time for next season, fulfilling the minor sporting sanction that was warranted under the financial regulations for the minor breach of the cost cap.
Having won the constructors’ championship, the team was due 70% of the seventh-placed team’s aerodynamic testing time, but this will now reduce by one tenth, meaning it falls to 63%.
Should Ferrari and Mercedes keep second and third place in the standings, they will have 75% and 80% of P7’s aerodynamic testing time.
“Red Bull Racing has therefore accepted that it has breached: (i) Article 8.2(e) of the Financial Regulations due to its failure to file accurate Full Year Reporting Documentation in respect of the 2021 Full Year Reporting Period, and (ii) Article 8.10(b) of the Financial Regulations due to its failure to keep its Relevant Costs under the 2021 Cost Cap,” read the FIA statement.
The Accepted Breach Agreement between the FIA and Red Bull means the case is now closed.
It has been reported that Ferrari detuned the engines due to reliability reasons. Of course is not confirmed as Ferrari only officially said that they have been able to "manage" the issues.Juzh wrote: ↑28 Oct 2022, 11:38I don't buy it. Early season you could easily tell from telemetry traces ferrari had faster acceleration up to ~260-280 kmh than red bull, despite RB being less draggy, something that was obvious for everyone to see. This could be down to RB being overweight at the time, however even now ferrari has a very slight edge in this regard (or at worst they are equal), while having to overcome inherently more drag they are carrying.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2022, 11:00You weren't clear if you asked about top speed since you mentioned race-pace advantage, which is now mostly because of TD039.
Early in the season I was convinced RB had 5-10HP more than Ferrari and had slightly lower drag, which combined a 10+kmh top speed difference with DRS. This drag was mostly due to DRS flap size. When Ferrari introduced 3 redesigned wings with bigger DRS flaps, speed difference was a lot smaller.
It's quite easy to get skewed numbers for power and drag when you rely on gossip as information. Early gossip was Ferrari had power advantage, which would mean RB had 6-7% less drag than Ferrari with DRS on. If we turn the power around, you get 2-3% lower drag for RB. 6.5% vs 2.5% difference is significant and I'm more inclined with the latter. Kudos to Honda.
Maybe honda has 15hp over renault or mercedes, but certainly not over ferrari.
looks nice but doesn't provoke the same sense of celebratory feelings you'd expect after the truth that has come out today. Technically they haven't achieved any championships through either themselves or officials observing and abiding by the rules of the sport.
The timing is obviously deliberateAeroDynamic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2022, 18:44looks nice but doesn't provoke the same sense of celebratory feelings you'd expect after the truth that has come out today. Technically they haven't achieved any championships through either themselves or officials observing and abiding by the rules of the sport.
Does any of that change the history?AeroDynamic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2022, 18:44looks nice but doesn't provoke the same sense of celebratory feelings you'd expect after the truth that has come out today. Technically they haven't achieved any championships through either themselves or officials observing and abiding by the rules of the sport.
Speak for yourself.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2022, 18:44looks nice but doesn't provoke the same sense of celebratory feelings you'd expect after the truth that has come out today. Technically they haven't achieved any championships through either themselves or officials observing and abiding by the rules of the sport.
Any word on the nature of those changes? Strange time to be testing that stuff given the FP2 test and the extreme altitude.
If Ferrari had more power than honda when their engine is not reliable and less power when they are reliable, it is quite simple to have a conclusion about which one has more power.