2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Re: Red Bull RB18

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https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-dovra-r ... -red-bull/
some updates to be introduced on the RB18 in the last three months of the world championship have been suspended for related issues right at the Budget Cap. The Anglo-Austrian team, which ended up in the eye of the storm on the financial regulation part, decided to stop introducing updates on the RB18 after Singapore. In an F1 without track tests, the last few races would have been very useful to try some aerodynamic updates on the track that would have collected useful data also on the construction of the 2023 car. According to what has been learned from Red Bull sources, in addition to the new lighter chassis, which carried out the crash tests in the summer and never introduced, Red Bull would have continued the development of the RB18 with some innovations on the sides as well as other small innovations in the bottom area .

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organic wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 14:10
https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-dovra-r ... -red-bull/
some updates to be introduced on the RB18 in the last three months of the world championship have been suspended for related issues right at the Budget Cap. The Anglo-Austrian team, which ended up in the eye of the storm on the financial regulation part, decided to stop introducing updates on the RB18 after Singapore. In an F1 without track tests, the last few races would have been very useful to try some aerodynamic updates on the track that would have collected useful data also on the construction of the 2023 car. According to what has been learned from Red Bull sources, in addition to the new lighter chassis, which carried out the crash tests in the summer and never introduced, Red Bull would have continued the development of the RB18 with some innovations on the sides as well as other small innovations in the bottom area .
That suggests, perhaps, that they were using the same interpretation for this year's budget as last year and are now worried about going over the cap again.

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Perhaps RedBull should consider using Honda's advanced wind tunnel if it can garner usable aero data in a more efficient way. With their reduced aero runs, using a state of the art facility may make up for it. Honda's wind tunnel is one of the most advanced in the world and should be capable for F1 level speeds if it can support Indy cars. It can even have two cars in tandem running. Honda could do their own aero development in relation to power unit cooling and heat dissipation.

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Re: 2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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The cost of using the wind tunnel is one issue, another is the relevance of the wind tunnel data to the track. Switching from one wind tunnel to another is a complex issue.

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Re: 2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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ispano6 wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 08:25
Perhaps RedBull should consider using Honda's advanced wind tunnel if it can garner usable aero data in a more efficient way. With their reduced aero runs, using a state of the art facility may make up for it. Honda's wind tunnel is one of the most advanced in the world and should be capable for F1 level speeds if it can support Indy cars. It can even have two cars in tandem running. Honda could do their own aero development in relation to power unit cooling and heat dissipation.
Where is Honda's wind tunnel?

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Re: 2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Is there any new information about Honda's ERS upgrade? Are there no more upgrades for this season?

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Re: Red Bull RB18

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MadMax wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 17:32
organic wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 14:10
https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-dovra-r ... -red-bull/
some updates to be introduced on the RB18 in the last three months of the world championship have been suspended for related issues right at the Budget Cap. The Anglo-Austrian team, which ended up in the eye of the storm on the financial regulation part, decided to stop introducing updates on the RB18 after Singapore. In an F1 without track tests, the last few races would have been very useful to try some aerodynamic updates on the track that would have collected useful data also on the construction of the 2023 car. According to what has been learned from Red Bull sources, in addition to the new lighter chassis, which carried out the crash tests in the summer and never introduced, Red Bull would have continued the development of the RB18 with some innovations on the sides as well as other small innovations in the bottom area .
That suggests, perhaps, that they were using the same interpretation for this year's budget as last year and are now worried about going over the cap again.
They should have learnt the lesson on filing tax credit correctly, which should keep them safe!

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Re: 2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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The car has no weaknesses despite stopping upgrades early in the season. Impressive stuff.

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organic wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 19:52
The car has no weaknesses despite stopping upgrades early in the season. Impressive stuff.
I wouldn't say no weaknesses. Its just doing everything better than the others (or rather compensating sufficiently with its strengths).

The car is still overweight for example.
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Yes impressive. Even with late season upgrades cancelled its still untouchable in the race.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
04 Nov 2022, 03:49
Yes impressive. Even with late season upgrades cancelled its still untouchable in the race.
Thanks to Mercedes. :)

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10394847/
Red Bull finalises Mateschitz succession plan

Red Bull's business will therefore be taken care of in the future by a so-called Board of Directors, consisting of Franz Watzlawick (CEO Beverage Business), Alexander Kirchmayr (CFO) and Oliver Mintzlaff (CEO Corporate Projects and Investments)

The division of responsibility means that F1 teams Red Bull and AlphaTauri will fall under the responsibility of Mintzlaff, who counts sponsorship among his new tasks, and Kirchmayr from now on.

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Re: Red Bull RB18

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mendis wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 19:31
MadMax wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 17:32
That suggests, perhaps, that they were using the same interpretation for this year's budget as last year and are now worried about going over the cap again.
They should have learnt the lesson on filing tax credit correctly, which should keep them safe!
If it wasn't for the unexpected cost to replace some totalled cars crushed by the competition they would have stayed within the budget.

Might be a good idea to bring back the Torpedo to increase cost at other teams.....
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Re: Red Bull RB18

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Espresso wrote:
04 Nov 2022, 14:30
mendis wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 19:31
MadMax wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 17:32

That suggests, perhaps, that they were using the same interpretation for this year's budget as last year and are now worried about going over the cap again.
They should have learnt the lesson on filing tax credit correctly, which should keep them safe!
If it wasn't for the unexpected cost to replace some totalled cars crushed by the competition they would have stayed within the budget.

Might be a good idea to bring back the Torpedo to increase cost at other teams.....
Other teams also had crashes and stayed within budget. Stop parroting this terrible argument.
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Re: 2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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mendis wrote:
04 Nov 2022, 13:16
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10394847/
Red Bull finalises Mateschitz succession plan

Red Bull's business will therefore be taken care of in the future by a so-called Board of Directors, consisting of Franz Watzlawick (CEO Beverage Business), Alexander Kirchmayr (CFO) and Oliver Mintzlaff (CEO Corporate Projects and Investments)

The division of responsibility means that F1 teams Red Bull and AlphaTauri will fall under the responsibility of Mintzlaff, who counts sponsorship among his new tasks, and Kirchmayr from now on.
Mintzlaff is a former sportsperson so hopefully will have a competitive, aggressive approach like Mateschitz, and not an overly corporate, risk-averse approach (Toyota, BMW, Alpine etc...).