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[ispano6]

Where is Honda's wind tunnel?

Central Ohio, it's called Honda Automotive Laboratory Ohio, a fitting name isn't it?

https://www.racetechmag.com/2022/03/hon ... nd-tunnel/

[Wazari]

Where is Honda's wind tunnel?

Central Ohio, it's called Honda Automotive Laboratory Ohio, a fitting name isn't it?

https://www.racetechmag.com/2022/03/hon ... nd-tunnel/

A great place if you like corn.

[lio007]

Where is Honda's wind tunnel?

Central Ohio, it's called Honda Automotive Laboratory Ohio, a fitting name isn't it?

https://www.racetechmag.com/2022/03/hon ... nd-tunnel/

Ah, thanks!
But would it make sense to do aero development in another time zone and even another continent? I'd say it makes life more difficult for the team to use a tunnel so far away from the factory.

Mateschitz has already approved the new tunnel: https://the-race.com/formula-1/mateschi ... ore-death/

[Wouter]

Perez will be in Las Vegas tonight.

[ispano6]

Ah, thanks!
But would it make sense to do aero development in another time zone and even another continent? I'd say it makes life more difficult for the team to use a tunnel so far away from the factory.

Mateschitz has already approved the new tunnel: https://the-race.com/formula-1/mateschi ... ore-death/

When will RedBull's new wind tunnel be ready?

Wind tunnel time is limited for F1 teams. Not for Honda. The work conducted at HALO could be useful to both AT and RB with the primary purpose of serving Honda development. They could conceivably have a copy of the chassis or aero form to test cooling packages, not aero load or drag ETC. Time zone and distance from Milton Keynes probably isn't an obstacle, Sakura is farther and more time zone difference.

I'll see what I can find out from my acquaintance at HPD who leads the Civic Type R TC program. He's a Checo/RedBull fan who considers Tanabe-san as "God of VTEC". Maybe Wazari-san can give us info about whether HALO can be used for HRC purposes.

[Stu]

I’m not sure that would sit well with the FIA….

[dans79]

I’m not sure that would sit well with the FIA….

I'm positive the FIA would have a problem with that.

[Stu]

I don’t think that it is possible to accurately predict anything where the FIA are concerned!

[AR3-GP]

I’m not sure that would sit well with the FIA….

I'm positive the FIA would have a problem with that.

While I think the OP is getting a bit carried away, there is a bit of a loophole where teams can buy off the shelf parts (like say, a very advanced intercooler technology), and they are only paying the notional or market price of the parts from the third-party, and not necessarily the massive R&D cost associated w/ the development of said parts (because a third-party doesn't bake the entire R&D cost into the sale of 1 product if that product can be sold to others).

It's a bit like buying a copy of Microsoft Office or some CFD code for $100 and using it on the company computers, as opposed to the team hiring a bunch of software engineers under the budget cap to develop their own custom software to do what a lot of off the shelf or open source software already does.

With that said, the cooling system is designed by RB (and RB technologies at that...), not Honda.

[Wouter]

I don’t think that it is possible to accurately predict anything where the FIA are concerned!

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I don't think Mr Mateschitz would have authorized the construction of such an expensive wind tunnel if the FIA allowed RB
to use Honda's modern wind tunnel. In addition, the Ohio < > Milton Keynes distance is not practical.

[AR3-GP]

Ah, thanks!
But would it make sense to do aero development in another time zone and even another continent? I'd say it makes life more difficult for the team to use a tunnel so far away from the factory.

Mateschitz has already approved the new tunnel: https://the-race.com/formula-1/mateschi ... ore-death/

When will RedBull's new wind tunnel be ready?

Wind tunnel time is limited for F1 teams. Not for Honda. The work conducted at HALO could be useful to both AT and RB with the primary purpose of serving Honda development. They could conceivably have a copy of the chassis or aero form to test cooling packages, not aero load or drag ETC. Time zone and distance from Milton Keynes probably isn't an obstacle, Sakura is farther and more time zone difference.

The difference is that what happens in Sakura, stays in Sakura and the engines are simply shipped to MK or the circuits.

It would be illogical to have a tunnel in the USA when all the engineering and aerodynamicist are UK based.

[Big Tea]

I don’t think that it is possible to accurately predict anything where the FIA are concerned!

.
I don't think Mr Mateschitz would have authorized the construction of such an expensive wind tunnel if the FIA allowed RB
to use Honda's modern wind tunnel. In addition, the Ohio < > Milton Keynes distance is not practical.

Maybe the tunnel is already fully booked?

[Wouter]

I don’t think that it is possible to accurately predict anything where the FIA are concerned!

.
I don't think Mr Mateschitz would have authorized the construction of such an expensive wind tunnel if the FIA allowed RB
to use Honda's modern wind tunnel. In addition, the Ohio < > Milton Keynes distance is not practical.

.
Maybe the tunnel is already fully booked?

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What do you mean? Which wind tunnel is fully booked?

[AR3-GP]

I don’t think that it is possible to accurately predict anything where the FIA are concerned!

.
I don't think Mr Mateschitz would have authorized the construction of such an expensive wind tunnel if the FIA allowed RB
to use Honda's modern wind tunnel. In addition, the Ohio < > Milton Keynes distance is not practical.

Maybe the tunnel is already fully booked?

Booked or not, it's completely illogical. Having your WindTunnel on site creates efficiencies that cannot be taken for granted.

[Big Tea]

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I don't think Mr Mateschitz would have authorized the construction of such an expensive wind tunnel if the FIA allowed RB
to use Honda's modern wind tunnel. In addition, the Ohio < > Milton Keynes distance is not practical.

.
Maybe the tunnel is already fully booked?

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What do you mean? Which wind tunnel is fully booked?

The Honda owned one. They would not only have their own 'work' but undoubtedly from other areas of Honda