2022 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 11 - 13

[harty71]

Max is and as always been a big baby, if he feels like he won't win he'd rather crash out a rival, that's the picture I get of him.

We saw enough of that behaviour last season in Brazil and Jeddah, his attitude stinks at times.

[DDopey]

I was just wondering, as Max now said "I will help Perez in Abu Dhabi". In the unfortunate situation Max and Leclerc crash, now that would be something.

[Vanja #66]

But Max hit Lewis and therefore takes majority blame.

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.




Pretty much the same thing he did to Vettel in Monza 2018.

If he was smarter at that moment, he could have gone wide on T2 entry, let Max overshoot racing line and take inside for T3 and then Ham could blast away on the straight with T3 better exit speed. Would have likely won the race with that kind of move. He knows how to do that, he did it a few times. Alonso always does that for example...

[mendis]

But Max hit Lewis and therefore takes majority blame.

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Pretty much the same thing he did to Vettel in Monza 2018.

If he was smarter at that moment, he could have gone wide on T2 entry, let Max overshoot racing line and take inside for T3 and then Ham could blast away on the straight with T3 better exit speed. Would have likely won the race with that kind of move. He knows how to do that, he did it a few times. Alonso always does that for example...

Here is the normal racing line that Lewis was taking in the race.

[Mosin123]

But Max hit Lewis and therefore takes majority blame.

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Pretty much the same thing he did to Vettel in Monza 2018.

If he was smarter at that moment, he could have gone wide on T2 entry, let Max overshoot racing line and take inside for T3 and then Ham could blast away on the straight with T3 better exit speed. Would have likely won the race with that kind of move. He knows how to do that, he did it a few times. Alonso always does that for example...

So LH should give up the corner he was leading in, jump out of the way and likely lose a place, just to avoid max hitting him because Max was doing his crashtappen role again? That doesnt sound fair game...... and isnt racing. Max should have yeilded and just brought the car home and helped his team mate, he already said before the race Merc was unbeatable, so why fight a Merc? he bite his nose of to spite his face, embarrised him self and his team. He is certainly no worthy champion.

[bluechris]

If i was in the Stewarts room i would had penalize both for their stupidity... simple and crystal clear message "you can fight but not hit each other". With my way they both loose if they are responsible for something.. no more Racing Incident... be carefull and respectfull because you will both loose.

[DChemTech]

But Max hit Lewis and therefore takes majority blame.

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Pretty much the same thing he did to Vettel in Monza 2018.

If he was smarter at that moment, he could have gone wide on T2 entry, let Max overshoot racing line and take inside for T3 and then Ham could blast away on the straight with T3 better exit speed. Would have likely won the race with that kind of move. He knows how to do that, he did it a few times. Alonso always does that for example...

So LH should give up the corner he was leading in, jump out of the way and likely lose a place, just to avoid max hitting him because Max was doing his crashtappen role again? That doesnt sound fair game...... and isnt racing. Max should have yeilded and just brought the car home and helped his team mate, he already said before the race Merc was unbeatable, so why fight a Merc? he bite his nose of to spite his face, embarrised him self and his team. He is certainly no worthy champion.

Get out of the way and let Verstappen by? No. Leave a car's width on the inside since they were dueling? Yes.
Max was wiser to have yielded, but he was still entitled to space considering the position he was in, and Lewis was wrong not to provide that.

[mendis]

But Max hit Lewis and therefore takes majority blame.

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Pretty much the same thing he did to Vettel in Monza 2018.

If he was smarter at that moment, he could have gone wide on T2 entry, let Max overshoot racing line and take inside for T3 and then Ham could blast away on the straight with T3 better exit speed. Would have likely won the race with that kind of move. He knows how to do that, he did it a few times. Alonso always does that for example...

So LH should give up the corner he was leading in, jump out of the way and likely lose a place, just to avoid max hitting him because Max was doing his crashtappen role again? That doesnt sound fair game...... and isnt racing. Max should have yeilded and just brought the car home and helped his team mate, he already said before the race Merc was unbeatable, so why fight a Merc? he bite his nose of to spite his face, embarrised him self and his team. He is certainly no worthy champion.

Rules require a car's width to be left when there is another car alongside. It was a very strange decision by stewards. It wasn't a dive bomb coming from too far back. Max was ahead going into turn 1. So Lewis would know he would be alongside. He probably thought it would be impossible to get the position back if Max goes ahead, which triggered that defence.

If Merc was unbeatable, Lewis could have let Max go and then get him by a DRS move?

[Big Tea]

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Looking at the top pic, I would say the 'front' of Max front wheel contacts the 'back' of Lewis front wheel which suggests 2 things.

1, Lewis was in front (so Max not 'alongside').

2. Max was going faster at a point where I'm sure Lewis would be going a fast as he possibly could go around the corner, so Max was going faster. Would he have made it if Lewis was not there?

[mendis]

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Looking at the top pic, I would say the 'front' of Max front wheel contacts the 'back' of Lewis front wheel which suggests 2 things.

1, Lewis was in front (so Max not 'alongside').

2. Max was going faster at a point where I'm sure Lewis would be going a fast as he possibly could go around the corner, so Max was going faster. Would he have made it if Lewis was not there?

Rules say, if a car is significantly alongside and by that, if the nose the car behind is alongside rear wheel of leading car or front wheels of Car behind alongside side any portion of the leading car, then the leading car has to leave a car's width.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60815007?

Overtaking on the inside
The new guidelines dictate that a driver being overtaken must give "sufficient room to an overtaking car" if "a significant portion" is alongside.

The overtaking manoeuvre must be done "in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to remain within the limits of the track".

The rules do not explicitly define what "a significant portion" of a car means, but they say that "among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards… they will consider if the overtaking car's front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner".

Max was alongside even before the apex.

[Mosin123]

Hitting a car by definition means you are driving into it (unless you lost control previously like Norris did when he hit Leclerc). Max was turning away from Hamilton, Hamilton was turning into Max and closing the gap he had to leave open. By definition, Hamilton hit Max.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 68x391.jpg

Looking at the top pic, I would say the 'front' of Max front wheel contacts the 'back' of Lewis front wheel which suggests 2 things.

1, Lewis was in front (so Max not 'alongside').

2. Max was going faster at a point where I'm sure Lewis would be going a fast as he possibly could go around the corner, so Max was going faster. Would he have made it if Lewis was not there?

Rules say, if a car is significantly alongside and by that, if the nose the car behind is alongside rear wheel of leading car or front wheels of Car behind alongside side any portion of the leading car, then the leading car has to leave a car's width.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60815007?

Overtaking on the inside
The new guidelines dictate that a driver being overtaken must give "sufficient room to an overtaking car" if "a significant portion" is alongside.

The overtaking manoeuvre must be done "in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to remain within the limits of the track".

The rules do not explicitly define what "a significant portion" of a car means, but they say that "among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards… they will consider if the overtaking car's front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner".

Max was alongside even before the apex.

And going to fast and unlikely to stay on track, as the stewards ruled.... So he drove dangerously.

[Vanja #66]

And going to fast and unlikely to stay on track, as the stewards ruled.... So he drove dangerously.

That ruling is laughable and the single worst steward explanation I've read about in the 12 years I've been looking at them. The fact Max was ahead in T1, side-by-side between T1-2 and slightly behind by T2 means he was slowing down more than Hamilton. There was absolutely no indication he wouldn't have made the corner, none at all. If he needed, he had every right to drive across entire track width between T2 and T3 to turn, but he didn't need that, he was clearly slower than Hamilton on T2 entry, there was no excess speed.

He did compromise his line for faster T3 entry and Hamilton should have been smarter and use that to his advantage. In those corners if you are brave, clever and enter T1 on the inside, you have so many choices and far better position to leave T3 ahead.

[Mosin123]

And going to fast and unlikely to stay on track, as the stewards ruled.... So he drove dangerously.

That ruling is laughable and the single worst steward explanation I've read about in the 12 years I've been looking at them. The fact Max was ahead in T1, side-by-side between T1-2 and slightly behind by T2 means he was slowing down more than Hamilton. There was absolutely no indication he wouldn't have made the corner, none at all. If he needed, he had every right to drive across entire track width between T2 and T3 to turn, but he didn't need that, he was clearly slower than Hamilton on T2 entry, there was no excess speed.

He did compromise his line for faster T3 entry and Hamilton should have been smarter and use that to his advantage. In those corners if you are brave, clever and enter T1 on the inside, you have so many choices and far better position to leave T3 ahead.

No, Max in a slower cornering Redbull, out braked him self / failed to slow enough, hit LH and failed to keep him self on track and forced LH off. Its max's signature move, have you missed the last god knows how many years?

[mendis]

And going to fast and unlikely to stay on track, as the stewards ruled.... So he drove dangerously.

That ruling is laughable and the single worst steward explanation I've read about in the 12 years I've been looking at them. The fact Max was ahead in T1, side-by-side between T1-2 and slightly behind by T2 means he was slowing down more than Hamilton. There was absolutely no indication he wouldn't have made the corner, none at all. If he needed, he had every right to drive across entire track width between T2 and T3 to turn, but he didn't need that, he was clearly slower than Hamilton on T2 entry, there was no excess speed.

He did compromise his line for faster T3 entry and Hamilton should have been smarter and use that to his advantage. In those corners if you are brave, clever and enter T1 on the inside, you have so many choices and far better position to leave T3 ahead.

No, Max in a slower cornering Redbull, out braked him self / failed to slow enough, hit LH and failed to keep him self on track and forced LH off. Its max's signature move, have you missed the last god knows how many years?

Wrong. He was alongside and never out braked himself. Lewis didn't leave one car's width. An outbraking manuere is where a driver locks up his wheels.

[chrisc90]

He never outbraked himself at all, he was fully within track limits at turn 1. If he put braked himself, he would have been off the track