2022 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[johnny comelately]

I saw both Merc last week and also Toto this week both make reference to progress of the Mercedes engine through the year.

Obviously with an engine freeze that must be limited to modes and mapping- but can anyone shed any more light on that because it did seem at a number of tracks this season that Red Bull seemed to have a little bit more power deployment.

A replacement crankshaft design under the auspices of a reliability fix has helped.

Seriously curious, where did you see that?
I scour and scour re engines and am pleasantly surprised when so much stuff comes up like the ferrari piston.

[jumpingfish]

I saw both Merc last week and also Toto this week both make reference to progress of the Mercedes engine through the year.

Obviously with an engine freeze that must be limited to modes and mapping- but can anyone shed any more light on that because it did seem at a number of tracks this season that Red Bull seemed to have a little bit more power deployment.

A replacement crankshaft design under the auspices of a reliability fix has helped.

Seriously curious, where did you see that?

It was in this article
https://www.formu1a.uno/bahrain-brasile ... cedes-w13/

[johnny comelately]

A replacement crankshaft design under the auspices of a reliability fix has helped.

Seriously curious, where did you see that?

It was in this article
https://www.formu1a.uno/bahrain-brasile ... cedes-w13/

Thank you

[Femi]

Seriously curious, where did you see that?

It was in this article
https://www.formu1a.uno/bahrain-brasile ... cedes-w13/

Thank you

This was reliability improvements:

"If their hands were partially tied on the aerodynamic front in Brackley, a lot of work was done on the 2022 engine in the Power Unit department in Brixworth. One of the advantages Mercedes had was the arrival of the Power Unit Phase 3 of the engine in which the crankshaft has been strengthened to improve reliability."

[Mansell89]

I saw both Merc last week and also Toto this week both make reference to progress of the Mercedes engine through the year.

Obviously with an engine freeze that must be limited to modes and mapping- but can anyone shed any more light on that because it did seem at a number of tracks this season that Red Bull seemed to have a little bit more power deployment.

A replacement crankshaft design under the auspices of a reliability fix has helped.

Thanks Stu- silly question perhaps but does that change apply to customers Merc supply too?

[Mchamilton]

I saw both Merc last week and also Toto this week both make reference to progress of the Mercedes engine through the year.

Obviously with an engine freeze that must be limited to modes and mapping- but can anyone shed any more light on that because it did seem at a number of tracks this season that Red Bull seemed to have a little bit more power deployment.

A replacement crankshaft design under the auspices of a reliability fix has helped.

Thanks Stu- silly question perhaps but does that change apply to customers Merc supply too?

Yes, identical specs

[AR3-GP]

A replacement crankshaft design under the auspices of a reliability fix has helped.

Thanks Stu- silly question perhaps but does that change apply to customers Merc supply too?

Yes, identical specs

That's not really the case at all times. There are practicalities to take into account.

AM, Williams, and Ricciardo only used 3 PUs all year. If the fix only became available after that point, they wouldn't neccesarily have been using the latest PU specification. It would be "available" to them "if they want it" and "for a price", but whether or not they elected to use it is a different conversation.

It reminds me of when Renault made their infamous "C spec" for RB.

[Big Tea]

Was the 'rule' not- must be available to customer rather than customer must use?

[dans79]

It would be "available" to them "if they want it" and "for a price", but whether or not they elected to use it is a different conversation.

If memory serves engines are a package deal now that tops out at 15M euros.

[dans79]

Was the 'rule' not- must be available to customer rather than customer must use?

everything has to be available to all customers, new modes, new specs etc.

Must use would make no sense, as the pu manufacturer could then push customers into taking penalties.

[AR3-GP]

It would be "available" to them "if they want it" and "for a price", but whether or not they elected to use it is a different conversation.

If memory serves engines are a package deal now that tops out at 15M euros.

The regs say that a season's supply (3 engines for the season, + X,000 Km of winter testing engines) must be supplied at no more than 15 million. Anything in excess, is sort of a negotiated fair value agreement because these things are complicated. AM, Williams, and Mclaren can't all decided mid-season that they want to play strategic games and use a new engine at every remaining race. Their are supply constraints. Brixworth isn't staffed to make 1000 engines per season. Otherwise, Williams would have done that since they start from the back constantly and grid drops make no difference to them.

But in the end, everyone is scratching each other's backs in this game, so customers really do come out whole even when they may be constrained (like '21 Merc) especially in the event that a PU fault is because of the manufacturer.

[dans79]

https://www.grandprix.com/news/russell- ... wolff.html

"If I had been told that at the beginning of the season, I would have been incredibly proud and happy," said Russell. "After all, nine times out of ten, when you finish ahead of Lewis Hamilton, you probably become world champion."

However, team boss Wolff insists that Russell beating 37-year-old Hamilton this year is "irrelevant".

"They were not racing for a world championship," he added. "They haven't raced for victories apart from Brazil.

"I don't think for any of the team it matters whether they finish second, third, fourth or fifth."

[Big Tea]

https://www.grandprix.com/news/russell- ... wolff.html

"If I had been told that at the beginning of the season, I would have been incredibly proud and happy," said Russell. "After all, nine times out of ten, when you finish ahead of Lewis Hamilton, you probably become world champion."

However, team boss Wolff insists that Russell beating 37-year-old Hamilton this year is "irrelevant".

"They were not racing for a world championship," he added. "They haven't raced for victories apart from Brazil.

"I don't think for any of the team it matters whether they finish second, third, fourth or fifth."

He is factually correct though. Each time someone has beaten Hamilton they have been champion.
However there is the small problem of Max Charles and Checo

[AR3-GP]

https://www.grandprix.com/news/russell- ... wolff.html

"If I had been told that at the beginning of the season, I would have been incredibly proud and happy," said Russell. "After all, nine times out of ten, when you finish ahead of Lewis Hamilton, you probably become world champion."

However, team boss Wolff insists that Russell beating 37-year-old Hamilton this year is "irrelevant".

"They were not racing for a world championship," he added. "They haven't raced for victories apart from Brazil.

"I don't think for any of the team it matters whether they finish second, third, fourth or fifth."

It's somewhat of a weird dynamic. It might have been better for Wolff to deflect from the question.

[dans79]

He is factually correct though. Each time someone has beaten Hamilton they have been champion.
However there is the small problem of Max Charles and Checo

He's wrong actually Jenson beat Lewis in 2011!