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The first question is who would cough up the money for setting up the series? Ferrari, Red Bull and who else? The other five will not get any board approval for such an investment in my opinion. So if the series is owned by Red Bull and Ferrari how will this lead to a level playing field?
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
3 things make me think a breakaway is nigh on impossible:
1. The FIA run worldwide circuit racing, they are a cartel, if you like, and with or without Moseley at the helm they would be in no hurry to assist in the formation of a new series if there is already one very similar running, for reasons of cannibalisation and dilution, they have recently been aproving series which are getting closer and closer to F1 in terms of spec. and this would be a step too far.
Politics or no there is a good business and sporting case against the formation of a (another) potential rival series to F1.
Add Moseley's personal frustration at not being able to reach an amicable settlement with the teams involved and it starts to look like he might actively work against this series. Regardless of Moseley's personal disagreements with the teams, if they aren't following the FIA's decrees this time and the FIA choose to co-operate with them on a new series, it would be like saying, hey it's o.k. we will endorse you, and we understand you will probably ignore our rulings.
Max has already alluded to the method he may use to prevent the go-ahead of a series by saying that 'they can run there own series as long as the safety issues are met'
Great, what a grey area for him to exploit, I wouldn't mind betting that's a veiled threat to the teams i.e. you will never meet our safety criteria, and really if they aren't playing ball with the budget cap, he could make the point that there is a posibility they won;t play ball on safety issue's either.
2. Which raises the question, can they run without FIA? anyone??
3. The only possible way I can see the FOTA teams could run a series next year which would satisfy their requirements is if they bought out an existing high level open wheel series with an international calender and no homologated engine and chassis requirements, with FIA approval already granted, lock stock and made some sort of agreement with the teams already entered that they would run two races a day with the non fota teams getting the 2nd billing. And surely the FIA could somehow scupper that idea? Plus the FOTA teams would have to build the cars and engines to suit the different regs anyway which wouldn't fit in with the '2009 regs to stay' approach.
Sorry about my grammer, I just don't have hours to get this as good as I can today, and don't get me wrong, I'm not a Fan of Mr Moseley, but he is an element who will not change in this equation so he must be taken into account when considering outcomes.
WhiteBlue wrote:The first question is who would cough up the money for setting up the series? Ferrari, Red Bull and who else? The other five will not get any board approval for such an investment in my opinion. So if the series is owned by Red Bull and Ferrari how will this lead to a level playing field?
If FOTA break away, their best possible partner would be Mr. Eccelstone.
There is no reason why he couldn't sign a contract as the organizer and promoter role.
He has the money, the tracks, and every person necessary on speed dial.
Bernie already has a highly monetized series which he calls the commercial shots on, not only that he has all the major players and administrators in his pocket already, that's like saying that GM really needs to focus on creating more brands.
It would be an interesting get out for many involved regarding the CVC debt but as I'm sure he/they realises that situation will eventually implode of it's own accord. Less money is coming in, the same is going out...
Tell you what, forget it, I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't care.
These idiots are going to do what they are going to do and it will be suprising, shocking and dissapointing to some, and ohers will just shrug and say 'oh well'.
I'll just watch proceedings unfold and try and laugh where possible.
If the breakaway happens, we'll have two series to watch for the first few years. After those probably two years, each of us will have a favourite, and stop following the other series closely. Both series will get less than half the TV coverage, less than half the money and they will have to share the circuits. Furthermore, watching Ferrari but not Williams kinda sucks. Going to Spa but missing Monza and Monaco will suck more. It's like going back to Windows once you've been using Linux for 5 years.
After a decade, almost no public european TV will be showing races live. Interest in motorsport will have moved into Moto GP (with an "amazing" 20 bikes) and both series will begin talking about reunification. The sport as itself will need at least a decade to recover, and none of the champions during the schizm will be considered true champions by the future generations.
Emperor Mosley, however, will still "rule the rules", and Bernie will keep his golden boxers (golden socks will belong to Slavica). They will be however as stubborn as ever, and only Christopher Lambert wielding a Katana will be able to get rid of them. In the end, there can be only one.
Tomorrow in Bilbao we'll have an overcast sky, with ocassional showers appearing with a probability of 60% between noon and 5 pm. After that, rain chances will decrease, leaving us with the usual unhappy overcast skies we have had during the last 3 months.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.
"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr
Is Champ car FIA? IS NASCAR FIA? (Honest questions)
If those guys can do it.. I can see it working.. The only problem is getting the Money and publicity.. They might have to keep it in Europe for the first couple of years, but I think if they hype it enough, freshen up things much, Give it a huge bump in testosterone, It can attract audience.. and that is most important.
n smikle wrote:Is Champ car FIA? IS NASCAR FIA? (Honest questions)
If those guys can do it.. I can see it working.. The only problem is getting the Money and publicity.. They might have to keep it in Europe for the first couple of years, but I think if they hype it enough, freshen up things much, Give it a huge bump in testosterone, It can attract audience.. and that is most important.
Champ car couldnt do it, thus they folded... They did deal with the FIA, and they had plans to exand into Asia(China/Korea/Macau/Japan) but BE and the FIA made it very difficult for them. They lost alot of already signed sponsors because of that. BE has always made it difficult for CART/Champ car to expand out of the US.
a breakaway series will not happen, it's all posturing and empty threats
mosley wants the fota teams, and the fota teams want to be in f1, but they both want to be the ones to dictate and neither wants to be seen to back down
eventually a compromise will be reached and we'll all go on and argue about something else
hulmerist wrote:
eventually a compromise will be reached and we'll all go on and argue about something else
just like always
=D> yep
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
yep