Ferrari SF23

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Andi76
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Great sideview comparison

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Will they get away with that small vent in the front under the intake? Surely it gives more than the allowed geometry planes in the X and Y axis? (a bit like how Mercedes had to have a certain geometry for their zeropods to be legal)
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Here's a shot from the initial shakedown.
I think it's one of the very few views of the back of the car, till now.

Is it me or there's something particular?

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Vanja #66 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 22:27
Here's some thoughts from my side in more detail. Front wing is a very big change. Visible improvements and much tighter radiator layout, sidepod bodywork looks like it can be further tightened if needed. Might be good to open first picture in another window... #-o

https://i.ibb.co/k2btpsS/front-3-4.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/gWLCShC/side.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Q87QxJ3/rear-3-4.jpg
Very interesting Vanja. Thanks for the insights.

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Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 22:36
I might be wrong... but i think the SF23's monocoque has two small keels to lower the position of the front-suspension wishbone... (orange arrow)

https://postimages.org/

Compare it with the F1-75 where the shape of the chassis was linear / flat

https://postimg.cc/PpgBKtHc
Actually the front suspension was raised, not lowered

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matteosc wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 22:18
Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 21:31
matteosc wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 21:14

It looks like they kept the lower impact structure high in the sidepodes and it is now almost "sticking out". I would have expected them to move it in the floor like others did. To me it looks like where it is now it limits the depth of the undercut that they can produce.
https://postimages.org/

I think its on pupose and quite clever. It could actually be used reduce loses in this area and improve airflow.
I am sure that there is a reason for this positioning, but it is not clear to me how it would reduce losses and improving airflow.
In pretty much the same way a vortex generator does.
Venturiation wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 22:18
Why is the car bouncing so much ?
Because of the track and an extremely stiff suspension set-up.
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Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:09
Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 22:36
I might be wrong... but i think the SF23's monocoque has two small keels to lower the position of the front-suspension wishbone... (orange arrow)

https://postimages.org/

Compare it with the F1-75 where the shape of the chassis was linear / flat

https://postimg.cc/PpgBKtHc
Actually the front suspension was raised, not lowered

https://postimages.org/


https://postimages.org/
the lower wishbone rear arm, my friend... watch carefully 8)

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Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:11
Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:09
Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 22:36
I might be wrong... but i think the SF23's monocoque has two small keels to lower the position of the front-suspension wishbone... (orange arrow)

https://postimages.org/

Compare it with the F1-75 where the shape of the chassis was linear / flat

https://postimg.cc/PpgBKtHc
Actually the front suspension was raised, not lowered

https://postimages.org/


https://postimages.org/
the lower wishbone rear arm, my friend... watch carefully 8)
You can clearly see the lower rear wishbone arm on the image i posted and its almost in line with the front lower wishbone, which is definetely higher than last year, as are the top wishbones.

I can see what you mean in your picture, but it is rather unclear and can be deceiving, while other better pictures clearly show that the whole suspension is higher
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Thank you Vanja, very nice summery



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Anyone notice that the front camera pods are much closer to the front suspension? Any aero experts care to comment?

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Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:14
Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:11
Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:09


Actually the front suspension was raised, not lowered

https://postimages.org/


https://postimages.org/
the lower wishbone rear arm, my friend... watch carefully 8)
You can clearly see the lower rear wishbone arm on the image i posted and its almost in line with the front lower wishbone, which is definetely higher than last year, as are the top wishbones.

I can see what you mean in your picture, but it is rather unclear and can be deceiving, while other better pictures clearly show that the whole suspension is higher
I'm sorry but, actually, a front picture isn't the best to judge and compare the respective height of two elements such the front and rear arms of a wishbone... because one is much closer to your view due to the perspective and the other one is more distant... so, it's more likely that such a picture could deceive you.
The side photo i posted instead clearly shows some bulge in the lower part of the chassis shell.
I might still be wrong of course :D

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I'm focusing on the lower wishbone and.. well to me from this perspective it seems the front arm is mounted higher than the rear one...(same as the upper wishbone, a-la-RedBull, even if less extreme) a matter of a few centimeters, for sure

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scarbs analysis
he says the front wings vanes are just fake to get people talking about it
he expected more advancements in this year ferrari
he says they will be the best in top speed but they will be behind redbull and mercedes because they didn't develop enough (this part is weird) :wtf: :?:


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deadhead wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:15
Thank you Vanja, very nice summery


Could it have something to do with porpoising? Not an aerodynamicist by any stretch of the imagination, could forcing the air from the bottom (near the floor) through a duct to the top of the sidepods create a seal?

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Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:36
Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:14
Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:11

the lower wishbone rear arm, my friend... watch carefully 8)
You can clearly see the lower rear wishbone arm on the image i posted and its almost in line with the front lower wishbone, which is definetely higher than last year, as are the top wishbones.

I can see what you mean in your picture, but it is rather unclear and can be deceiving, while other better pictures clearly show that the whole suspension is higher
I'm sorry but, actually, a front picture isn't the best to judge and compare the respective height of two elements such the front and rear arms of a wishbone... because one is much closer to your view due to the perspective and the other one is more distant... so, it's more likely that such a picture could deceive you.
The side photo i posted instead clearly shows some bulge in the lower part of the chassis shell.
I might still be wrong of course :D
You are wrong. You can clearly see on the mounting points of the chassis that the suspension is higher. And by now I'm not the only one who has noticed it. Piola and Hughes have also just reported on it a few minutes ago. The bulge on your pic it is rather unclear and it is not at all recognizable what this actually is.

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Andi76 wrote:
15 Feb 2023, 00:09
Giando wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:36
Andi76 wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 23:14


You can clearly see the lower rear wishbone arm on the image i posted and its almost in line with the front lower wishbone, which is definetely higher than last year, as are the top wishbones.

I can see what you mean in your picture, but it is rather unclear and can be deceiving, while other better pictures clearly show that the whole suspension is higher
I'm sorry but, actually, a front picture isn't the best to judge and compare the respective height of two elements such the front and rear arms of a wishbone... because one is much closer to your view due to the perspective and the other one is more distant... so, it's more likely that such a picture could deceive you.
The side photo i posted instead clearly shows some bulge in the lower part of the chassis shell.
I might still be wrong of course :D
You are wrong. You can clearly see on the mounting points of the chassis that the suspension is higher. And by now I'm not the only one who has noticed it. Piola and Hughes have also just reported on it a few minutes ago. The bulge on your pic it is rather unclear and it is not at all recognizable what this actually is.
Yes, obviously i am going to be wrong and you are going to be absolutely right.
Because it's very unlikely that only i could have spotted such a peculiar solution.

Nevertheless, I'd love to see more pictures because in that area the shape of the chassis is really different compared to the F1-75. There's a radius in the edge of the carbon shell which i don't understand...

Oh, by the way, i'd like to add another photo to the discussion, which is very interesting.
Let me know. Thank you.

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