Probably yes, because if FW are used then there is more water, denser spray than with ITSirBastianVettel wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:23Isn't there also a significant difference in tire wake between the intermediate and extreme wet tires?
Probably yes, because if FW are used then there is more water, denser spray than with ITSirBastianVettel wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:23Isn't there also a significant difference in tire wake between the intermediate and extreme wet tires?
This totally goes against the major reasoning behind porpoising we've been told last season. I thought it was caused by the floor getting too close to the ground or even hitting it and eventually choking. The big floor surface/exposed floor on the Mercedes was told to be especially prone to flexing, but at the same time the car needed to be as low as possible to extract the expected performance out of the concept.Venturiation wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:37he confirms the porpoising isn't caused by the exposed floor surface and the flexing floor, same for sidepods
some here will still say they are the cause
More like it's a coupled suspension/ride height sensitivity issue. Fix the rear suspension, ride height is more controlled, problem goes awayLM10 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:16This totally goes against the major reasoning behind porpoising we've been told last season. I thought it was caused by the floor getting too close to the ground or even hitting it and eventually choking. The big floor surface/exposed floor on the Mercedes was told to be especially prone to flexing, but at the same time the car needed to be as low as possible to extract the expected performance out of the concept.Venturiation wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:37he confirms the porpoising isn't caused by the exposed floor surface and the flexing floor, same for sidepods
some here will still say they are the cause
Now we see a Mercedes with a much less exposed floor, but this was never the issue to begin with? I'm confused.
The reason that the media and most forum members kept pushing yes, doesn't mean it's correct. Kyle did a video last year explain what he thought it was, and what he thought it wasn't.LM10 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:16This totally goes against the major reasoning behind porpoising we've been told last season. I thought it was caused by the floor getting too close to the ground or even hitting it and eventually choking. The big floor surface/exposed floor on the Mercedes was told to be especially prone to flexing, but at the same time the car needed to be as low as possible to extract the expected performance out of the concept.Venturiation wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:37he confirms the porpoising isn't caused by the exposed floor surface and the flexing floor, same for sidepods
some here will still say they are the cause
Now we see a Mercedes with a much less exposed floor, but this was never the issue to begin with? I'm confused.
Kyle explains it. To keep the front wheel tire wake further out
Like the other teams?NoDivergence wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:33Kyle explains it. To keep the front wheel tire wake further out
and in this viddeos he says he thinks that the ride height is whats causing itMchamilton wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:31The reason that the media and most forum members kept pushing yes, doesn't mean it's correct. Kyle did a video last year explain what he thought it was, and what he thought it wasn't.LM10 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:16This totally goes against the major reasoning behind porpoising we've been told last season. I thought it was caused by the floor getting too close to the ground or even hitting it and eventually choking. The big floor surface/exposed floor on the Mercedes was told to be especially prone to flexing, but at the same time the car needed to be as low as possible to extract the expected performance out of the concept.Venturiation wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:37
he confirms the porpoising isn't caused by the exposed floor surface and the flexing floor, same for sidepods
some here will still say they are the cause
Now we see a Mercedes with a much less exposed floor, but this was never the issue to begin with? I'm confused.
Porpoising was only a thing when team run the extreme setups. If the peak performance was designed to be in that setup bracket, because that's where simulations told them they could get max downforce of all possible designs (even those with a larger but outright lower sweetspot). So obviously that is the MAIN cause, what Kyle refers to. That being said, given the same, say, ride height, it's pretty obvious that elements like floor flex, suspension design ecc. all contribute to exacerbating the situation you unknowingly put yourself into by setting overly aggressive aero objectives.LM10 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:16This totally goes against the major reasoning behind porpoising we've been told last season. I thought it was caused by the floor getting too close to the ground or even hitting it and eventually choking. The big floor surface/exposed floor on the Mercedes was told to be especially prone to flexing, but at the same time the car needed to be as low as possible to extract the expected performance out of the concept.Venturiation wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:37he confirms the porpoising isn't caused by the exposed floor surface and the flexing floor, same for sidepods
some here will still say they are the cause
Now we see a Mercedes with a much less exposed floor, but this was never the issue to begin with? I'm confused.
and that it's just a slight design tweak , the zeropods concepts stays the same and now it's even slimmer at the bottom because there isn't the "melted' part anymoreNoDivergence wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:33Kyle explains it. To keep the front wheel tire wake further out
they won't run proper ride heights in a shakedownVenturiation wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 17:49ride height looks higher
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