Mercedes W14

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Venturiation wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 19:45
car looks deformed, like it has bathtubs on top of it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpGv9JFWYAI ... =4096x4096
Wow.. like bathtubs on their side :D

The bodywork looks really large from this angle

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The interesting sculpting of bodywork around the front suspension of the W14

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des_1986 wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 20:15
The interesting sculpting of bodywork around the front suspension of the W14

https://imgur.com/a/cwGtinn
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SmallSoldier wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 20:27
des_1986 wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 20:15
The interesting sculpting of bodywork around the front suspension of the W14

https://imgur.com/a/cwGtinn
Not sure why the image isn’t loading, but re-uploaded it for you

https://i.imgur.com/9bHoLME.jpg
It might be a little more exxagerated now, but that was an upgrade from Silverstone last year

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An effort to establish the relation between W13 and W14 sidepods. Due to massively different came angles and fish-eye distortion (no surprises there!), the only reference for sidepod width is the floor width, since both designs are widest at the floor in order to incorporate mid wing.

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My verdict - sidepods are slightly wider at the widest point, rear end (the one where the problems were) is far wider and along the Z-axis W14 sidepods are clearly much bigger by design. Undoubtedly empty extra volume, used for external flow conditioning, much like all other teams chose to do last season.

Anyone wanting to dispute this comparison - knock yourself out :)
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Vanja #66 wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 20:39
An effort to establish the relation between W13 and W14 sidepods. Due to massively different came angles and fish-eye distortion (no surprises there!), the only reference for sidepod width is the floor width, since both designs are widest at the floor in order to incorporate mid wing.

https://i.ibb.co/4m3rpBc/comp-13-14.jpg

My verdict - sidepods are slightly wider at the widest point, rear end (the one where the problems were) is far wider and along the Z-axis W14 sidepods are clearly much bigger by design. Undoubtedly empty extra volume, used for external flow conditioning, much like all other teams chose to do last season.

Anyone wanting to dispute this comparison - knock yourself out :)
The size/shape of the tunnels seem more or less similar from the top view which provides a good measuring stick and makes it quite obvious how much wider it is.
It's still the narrowest sidepods by some margin(in fairness no one is trying to compete so they win by default), and with things like the reshaped inlet(i've always considered widest at the bottom a weird decision) and a undercut at the rear, they might have improved flow control without losing much floor pressure.

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chrstphrln wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 17:31
Oh, but why then was the superior Zeropod concept abandoned? :D
There was never a zero pod concept. :wink:

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so in the end this was just an illusion with the paint and the car is zeropods like last year

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Vanja #66 wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 20:39
An effort to establish the relation between W13 and W14 sidepods. Due to massively different came angles and fish-eye distortion (no surprises there!), the only reference for sidepod width is the floor width, since both designs are widest at the floor in order to incorporate mid wing.

https://i.ibb.co/4m3rpBc/comp-13-14.jpg

My verdict - sidepods are slightly wider at the widest point, rear end (the one where the problems were) is far wider and along the Z-axis W14 sidepods are clearly much bigger by design. Undoubtedly empty extra volume, used for external flow conditioning, much like all other teams chose to do last season.

Anyone wanting to dispute this comparison - knock yourself out :)
W14 has an overhang, so measuring the widest point in plan…yes 14 is wider. Sidepod edge-to-edge though, they’re as wide as each other at max width I’d wager - the sidepod contouring is what’s throwing you.
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what is eliott talking about when he says the tools we put together


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W14 has an overhang, so measuring the widest point in plan…yes 14 is wider. Sidepod edge-to-edge though, they’re as wide as each other at max width I’d wager - the sidepod contouring is what’s throwing you.

they are basically the same as last year even thinner on some parts but some want to just keep saying it isn't

just like saying porpoising is caused by the exposed floor flexing and sidepods wich is false

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Technical analyses are based on facts, accurate comparisons and hard data. Wishful thinking, subjectivity and zealous approach are not really the right tools for technical discussions.
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AMuS reports quoted by Toto Wolff where he confirms a different version of side pods: “This is just the first iteration. In the wind tunnel, we already have something that looks different.”

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... oto-wolff/

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Why is the sound different