Thank you. So tired of hearing that sob song.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Feb 2023, 23:11It's a myth. RedBull were faster than Renault with the same engine.. And even faster than Ferrari too with their works status.
Customer engine is an escuse by teams that can't figure out championship winning chassis
Since 2021, Honda has a way more compact power unit than Merc. The Honda valve cover is a very compact design compared to Merc and the other power units. The Honda intake manifold sits slanted in the V of the engine whereas the merc intake manifold sits straight and the bodywork has to be wrapped around it.
AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 04:53There was a story late last season where it was revealed that Alonso had requested that AM take an extra power unit from Mercedes and apparently Mercedes bulked at the idea since they have a set capacity of PUs they can supply and maintain.
Keep mind mind Mercedes didn't have any problem using 5-6 PUs per car in 2021, while the customer teams could only use 3-4 PUs.
We know?KimiRai wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 04:49I'd say it is a hindrance, we know Mercedes takes for themselves the engines that give the best numbers, but it's not the end of the world that people make it to be. We've seen McLaren vs Mercedes in the early years, McLaren and RedBull vs Renault... even Sauber vs Ferrari in some races in 2012.
No two engines are exactly the same, but I'm sure Mercedes does the best they can to ensure consistency.delsando53 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 11:16AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 04:53There was a story late last season where it was revealed that Alonso had requested that AM take an extra power unit from Mercedes and apparently Mercedes bulked at the idea since they have a set capacity of PUs they can supply and maintain.
Keep mind mind Mercedes didn't have any problem using 5-6 PUs per car in 2021, while the customer teams could only use 3-4 PUs.
Do customer teams have to ability to be assured what horsepower they are garunteed they're getting with their own inhouse dyno or independant testing?
Engine maps choices and software have to be identical to the manufacturer. They are verified by FIA. They also have the choice to run the manufacturers fuel and lubricants. I doudt they put brand new PUs on the dyno before Dowling them out.AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 15:26No two engines are exactly the same, but I'm sure Mercedes does the best they can to ensure consistency.delsando53 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 11:16AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 04:53There was a story late last season where it was revealed that Alonso had requested that AM take an extra power unit from Mercedes and apparently Mercedes bulked at the idea since they have a set capacity of PUs they can supply and maintain.
Keep mind mind Mercedes didn't have any problem using 5-6 PUs per car in 2021, while the customer teams could only use 3-4 PUs.
Do customer teams have to ability to be assured what horsepower they are garunteed they're getting with their own inhouse dyno or independant testing?
I was referring to the hardware. Even when software is the same, no two engines will ever perform exactly the same.diffuser wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 17:30Engine maps choices and software have to be identical to the manufacturer. They are verified by FIA. They also have the choice to run the manufacturers fuel and lubricants. I doudt they put brand new PUs on the dyno before Dowling them out.AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 15:26No two engines are exactly the same, but I'm sure Mercedes does the best they can to ensure consistency.delsando53 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2023, 11:16
Do customer teams have to ability to be assured what horsepower they are garunteed they're getting with their own inhouse dyno or independant testing?