What if the breakaway happens?

[gcdugas]

Bernie could then rape and pillage the F1 teams, and then use that to invest and build the FOTA series. As long as FOTA don't get carried away and leave ambiguous parts of the contract open, it would be the best shot at a breakaway actually becoming competitive with F1. And Bernie would make money from both.

So, to answer your question:

I am not nuts at all.

I am sure there are a million EU "conflict of interest" laws against this. Bernie could simply close down his agency relationship with CVC/FOM and take a singular side. He does have all those numbers on speed dial but.... track owners and promoters may not want to see him ever again especially when they remember his rates and revenue splits. The best bet for CVC is to hire Tony Soprano or Sammy "the bull" Gravano within the next four days.... or maybe Madame Dominatra can oversee Max's "auto-asphyxiation". It is looking bleak for CVC's billion dollar trouble child.

[donskar]

Read this

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75961

[gcdugas]

Clicky Read it... This should make any sensible person laugh... Sign an unconditional entry and then try to alter the conditions? WTF? Max is completely mad. This is completely insane.

I would like to borrow a million dollars at 5% interest for 30 yrs... and then negotiate the interest to 0% with an indefinite term the next day... sheer madness.

Shame on AutoSport for such one sided reporting. They simply regurgitate what Max says without challenging one of his assertions. This is completely self contradictory... drop the conditions to get the conditions, please name the rules you want to see, you know, the ones we refused, do it by the end of tomorrow etc. Where is the journalism? BTW, there will be new teams that can also deny your new rules (because they agree with me, Max Mosley) but you are invited to sign up... by tomorrow, unconditionally. LOL, this guy is seriously losing it.

The teams should wipe their asses with this letter and return it to Max in a freshly sealed zip-lock bag. We have seen what it means to "have a role in shaping things" with Max... you grab your ankles and Max shapes it.

Only a few more days until liberation... =D> =D>

[Conceptual]

Bernie could then rape and pillage the F1 teams, and then use that to invest and build the FOTA series. As long as FOTA don't get carried away and leave ambiguous parts of the contract open, it would be the best shot at a breakaway actually becoming competitive with F1. And Bernie would make money from both.

So, to answer your question:

I am not nuts at all.

I am sure there are a million EU "conflict of interest" laws against this. Bernie could simply close down his agency relationship with CVC/FOM and take a singular side. He does have all those numbers on speed dial but.... track owners and promoters may not want to see him ever again especially when they remember his rates and revenue splits. The best bet for CVC is to hire Tony Soprano or Sammy "the bull" Gravano within the next four days.... or maybe Madame Dominatra can oversee Max's "auto-asphyxiation". It is looking bleak for CVC's billion dollar trouble child.

Please provide one. What you are saying is that a single person cannot hold two jobs if they are competing in different area's of motorsport? Especially as a commercial right's holder and organizer?

Are you saying that one person is not allowed by law to organize two race series'?

I would very much like to see the EU law that you are "sure" exists.

Your opinion is NOT WHAT DEFINES REALITY, so can you please stop posting as if it was... It truly makes me nauseous.

[Conceptual]

Read this

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75961

This is a trap! There needs to be unanimous agreement, and WIlliams and Force India (who have been kicked out of the FOTA) are now not subject to voting FOTA's way.

[Washngo]

Only a few more days until liberation...

trouble for FOTA is they currently only have a 16 car grid if they form a breakaway series. And presumably if there are against a low budget cap, it's going to be very difficult for any other new teams to get involved at the moment.

[Conceptual]

16 cars is still a race...

[Washngo]

16 cars is still a race...

true. The manufacturers don't want to be dictated to by the FIA anymore. And if FOTA want greater power, the break away is really their only option, because it has become clear over the last few weeks, Mosley holds all the cards. All of them.

FOTA, at this juncture, have just two options: sign up or go away. C'est tout.

[ISLAMATRON]

16 cars is still a race...

how bout 14? When STR goes broke?

How bout 12? When Ghosn pulls the plug?

How bout 10? When Brawn goes broke?

How bout 8? When Toyoda cuts the money off

Good luck finding new teams that want to get stomped by half billion dollar budgets and go broke after a year because the sponsorship money is dried up.

FOTA needs to see the big picture, not only would they survive under a budget cap, they would actually turn a profit.

[Washngo]

16 cars is still a race...

how bout 14? When STR goes broke?

How bout 12? When Ghosn pulls the plug?

How bout 10? When Brawn goes broke?

How bout 8? When Toyoda cuts the money off

Good luck finding new teams that want to get stomped by half billion dollar budgets and go broke after a year because the sponsorship money is dried up.

FOTA needs to see the big picture, not only would they survive under a budget cap, they would actually turn a profit.

agreed. the other thing is at the end of the day, the manufactures are looking after themselves first. They want more power to protect their interest. If FOTA form a breakaway series, their end target is to form a racing series similar to Premiership football, where in actuality, the top four teams are always going to be the top four teams. This is how they want it. Them at the top, with the others fighting for scraps.

[FGD]

16 cars is still a race...

how bout 14? When STR goes broke?

How bout 12? When Ghosn pulls the plug?

How bout 10? When Brawn goes broke?

How bout 8? When Toyoda cuts the money off

Good luck finding new teams that want to get stomped by half billion dollar budgets and go broke after a year because the sponsorship money is dried up.

FOTA needs to see the big picture, not only would they survive under a budget cap, they would actually turn a profit.

Toyota seems to be looking to get out anyhow. Too much money spent with no results. You really think they'll stick around while being beaten to the line by newcomers.

By the way...

ISLAMATRON: What have you got against the red&white cars? Toyota is running FOTA with Ferrari? Yeah. That makes sense. Please explain.

[CHT]

Only a few more days until liberation...

trouble for FOTA is they currently only have a 16 car grid if they form a breakaway series. And presumably if there are against a low budget cap, it's going to be very difficult for any other new teams to get involved at the moment.

If FOTA runs a breakaway series WITHOUT bernie, then I am sure the "cost" of running "New F1" will drastically come down because there will more TV revenue to share among members and with that it potentially could also attract other manufacturers into F1.

Alternatively, the manufacturers could easily run 3 cars instead of 2, if numbers does make a difference.

[jamsbong]

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 5413.shtml

Is FOTA really serious about breaking away? Seems like there is already plans for it. If Hamilton, Alonso and the Ferrari drivers are going to go away and setup this series. I will follow them, because I don't see the point of watching F1 without Ferrari.

[CHT]

I presume F1technical.net is going to be renamed?

[FGD]

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 5413.shtml

Is FOTA really serious about breaking away? Seems like there is already plans for it. If Hamilton, Alonso and the Ferrari drivers are going to go away and setup this series. I will follow them, because I don't see the point of watching F1 without Ferrari.

I think a number of teams are thinking exactly the same thing.