2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Shal_Leg16]

PPL are overreacting on Leclerc's statement.

comparing to last season, 2021 year car was bad , it was a fooking tractor. To jump out of that disaster into last year's challanger was a huge stepup, Secondly at that time nobody knew if RBR was going to be so dominating that they would win 17 of 22 races. Cut to this season all of us including Leclerc know Ferrari is behind ( not by much but still enough for Max to dream of 3rd title ). To say we need to do more only seems realistic.

Now come to Sainz's version .. the two drivers are on diffrent thought process. It's evident from Leclerc's version that he is worried about catching Max while Sainz is more intersted in his own perfomance.

[jumpingfish]

I do not understand why Ferrari gathers two drivers with different driving styles.. One of them prefers oversteer, another one - understeer and then engineers struggle to find perfect balance that suits both. They need Verstappen with Leclerc if they both loves oversteering Or someone else with similar style

[Xyz22]

Seems like a follow up article about the understeer

https://www.formu1a.uno/leclerc-preoccu ... -di-guida/

The Ferrari SF-23 is limited in front
The SF-23 is a very different car from the previous one. The main innovations reside at the front, with completely revised mechanics , and in the non-visible part of the underbody, in addition to the more evident modifications in the front wing and side pods. Innovations that have radically changed the characteristics of the Italian car, now a missile on a straight line but which struggles more than the F1-75 in corners, with more efficiency but with a balance that, especially in slow and medium curves speed , still missing .

The new born in Maranello does not have its weak point in the rear, as it might initially seem, but the problem is to be found at the front. Leaving aside the first day used to collect data on the track, to be compared with those coming from the factory instruments, the second and last day were used to optimize and extract the potential of the SF-23. Despite working a lot in terms of setup, it came out that the new Italian car suffered from understeer on entry and in the middle of the corner, which turned into oversteer on exit. With the current front wing it was not possible to solve the problem, given that"even at maximum clicks, we didn't get rid of the understeer, especially in the hottest hours of the day" a technician from the Italian team let us know.

Jesus Christ. If this is true, they won't even be able to use a different rear wing configuration, as it would make the car even more unbalanced. Sainz will be thrilled though even if he will finish 4 - 5th with a 40-50s gap like in Mexico last year

[Sevach]

I agree that Charles doesn't seem as happy as he was last year this time around. I'm not so sure though, if he might have been instructed by Fred to be less talkative given Fred's secrecy when asked any performance questions. Or maybe the car is actually not to Charles' liking yet.

As for the reported unexpected understeer - what Vanja has told in the car thread makes sense. Could be a deformation thing which could have only be seen on track.

Last season he was super happy because he knew he had a winning car, and he expected great things, things like mounting a solid challenge for the championship.

I bet the fact that his expectations were only partially met last year would make him naturally more cautious this season, in addition to Red Bull looking stronger now than they did last pre-season.

[JPower]

Jesus Christ. If this is true, they won't even be able to use a different rear wing configuration, as it would make the car even more unbalanced. Sainz will be thrilled though even if he will finish 4 - 5th with a 40-50s gap like in Mexico last year

Why would he be thrilled to drive a car not competitive enough to win races? Does that make sense to you?

[MV8]

I agree that Charles doesn't seem as happy as he was last year this time around. I'm not so sure though, if he might have been instructed by Fred to be less talkative given Fred's secrecy when asked any performance questions. Or maybe the car is actually not to Charles' liking yet.

As for the reported unexpected understeer - what Vanja has told in the car thread makes sense. Could be a deformation thing which could have only be seen on track.

Last season he was super happy because he knew he had a winning car, and he expected great things, things like mounting a solid challenge for the championship.

I bet the fact that his expectations were only partially met last year would make him naturally more cautious this season, in addition to Red Bull looking stronger now than they did last pre-season.

Good point, and also with the new "talk politics" that IMO Vasseur is imposing about more cautious messages; makes sense with that behaviour from Charles.

[Vanja #66]

Seems like a follow up article about the understeer

https://www.formu1a.uno/leclerc-preoccu ... -di-guida/

The Ferrari SF-23 is limited in front
The SF-23 is a very different car from the previous one. The main innovations reside at the front, with completely revised mechanics , and in the non-visible part of the underbody, in addition to the more evident modifications in the front wing and side pods. Innovations that have radically changed the characteristics of the Italian car, now a missile on a straight line but which struggles more than the F1-75 in corners, with more efficiency but with a balance that, especially in slow and medium curves speed , still missing .

The new born in Maranello does not have its weak point in the rear, as it might initially seem, but the problem is to be found at the front. Leaving aside the first day used to collect data on the track, to be compared with those coming from the factory instruments, the second and last day were used to optimize and extract the potential of the SF-23. Despite working a lot in terms of setup, it came out that the new Italian car suffered from understeer on entry and in the middle of the corner, which turned into oversteer on exit. With the current front wing it was not possible to solve the problem, given that"even at maximum clicks, we didn't get rid of the understeer, especially in the hottest hours of the day" a technician from the Italian team let us know.

These topics actually belong 100% in car thread. This is a discussion about the car and its behaviour, not the team or overall performance

[jambuka]

Well not making a Car suitable for Leclerc only reduces Ferrari’s chances of him renewing the contract.

[JPower]

DRS zone along main straight has been shortened by 80m. Might make a difference in teams' wing choice.

[motobaleno]

Well not making a Car suitable for Leclerc only reduces Ferrari’s chances of him renewing the contract.

even IF the pessimistic view would be true, many in this 3d are reasoning as confusing red with orange...
at worst Ferrari is not at RB level but still p2....
with who charles could possibily sign? the allmighty Aston?

[jumpingfish]

Well not making a Car suitable for Leclerc only reduces Ferrari’s chances of him renewing the contract.

even IF the pessimistic view would be true, many in this 3d are reasoning as confusing red with orange...
at worst Ferrari is not at RB level but still p2....
with who charles could possibily sign? the allmighty Aston?

Red Bull Why not, if Max and Charles have the same preferences

[jambuka]

Well not making a Car suitable for Leclerc only reduces Ferrari’s chances of him renewing the contract.

even IF the pessimistic view would be true, many in this 3d are reasoning as confusing red with orange...
at worst Ferrari is not at RB level but still p2....
with who charles could possibily sign? the allmighty Aston?

What I meant was Ferrari is interested in keeping Charles around, so if something is not to his liking they will improve/fix it.

[motobaleno]

with who charles could possibily sign? the allmighty Aston?

Red Bull Why not, if Max and Charles have the same preferences

this will never happen at least until marko/horner are in charge. it will be the best way to loose verstappen and, at the same time, lower drive champ winning chance (because the two top drivers will steal points each other and likely crash).

[AR3-GP]

with who charles could possibily sign? the allmighty Aston?

Red Bull Why not, if Max and Charles have the same preferences

this will never happen at least until marko/horner are in charge. it will be the best way to loose verstappen and, at the same time, lower drive champ winning chance (because the two top drivers will steal points each other and likely crash).

The best way to lose a driver is to build a slow car. Drivers rarely leave a fast car, no matter who the teammate is, unless you have the total chaos, deceit, and treachery of Mclaren 2007 (Alonso), or he got sacked (Bottas).

[Vinlarr89]

Jeeez everyone on here is so negative. We’ve had three days of preseason testing, it’s not the end of the world.
If there’s issues, so be it. Better to understand and be able to fix them. Red bull had balance issues for Verstappen last year and managed to correct. Trust the scuderia to do the same!