The #F1 2023 season kicks off this weekend in Bahrain .
HRC is supporting Red Bull Powertrains, which is supplying power units to Oracle Red Bull Racing
and Scuderia AlphaTauri again this season.
The #F1 2023 season kicks off this weekend in Bahrain .
HRC is supporting Red Bull Powertrains, which is supplying power units to Oracle Red Bull Racing
and Scuderia AlphaTauri again this season.
It does make sense to upgrade with stability in the rules. It is important to validate upgrades on track and further evolve from there. You can't just simply keep evolving and finding performance without ever running the intermediate development points on the car.
napoleon1981 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2023, 19:40It does make sense to upgrade with stability in the rules. It is important to validate upgrades on track and further evolve from there. You can't just simply keep evolving and finding performance without ever running the intermediate development points on the car.
If you are planning on a complete departure of the concept I agree, but there has been no indication RB is planning on doing so.
Are you saying let other teams do development work and than copy it? Thats the Aston Martin approach and is not terribly succesful (yes i know they had a good test this year). RB will need to stay on the cutting edge and be the first to bolt improvements on the car and have others follow suit.Henk_v wrote: ↑27 Feb 2023, 20:54napoleon1981 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2023, 19:40It does make sense to upgrade with stability in the rules. It is important to validate upgrades on track and further evolve from there. You can't just simply keep evolving and finding performance without ever running the intermediate development points on the car.
If you are planning on a complete departure of the concept I agree, but there has been no indication RB is planning on doing so.
Meanwhile let the refinements on for instance wings pan out through the field. See where the front wings are heading and then just take the direction you know is succesful. Why push the stone uphill?
No. I don't say copy it. Just see what avenue's of development are bringing success and then choose the right one. But, RB is not some holy cow. They copied many stuff and they've been copied. That's how it works. (think t-tray wing)napoleon1981 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2023, 02:21Are you saying let other teams do development work and than copy it? Thats the Aston Martin approach and is not terribly succesful (yes i know they had a good test this year). RB will need to stay on the cutting edge and be the first to bolt improvements on the car and have others follow suit.Henk_v wrote: ↑27 Feb 2023, 20:54napoleon1981 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2023, 19:40
It does make sense to upgrade with stability in the rules. It is important to validate upgrades on track and further evolve from there. You can't just simply keep evolving and finding performance without ever running the intermediate development points on the car.
If you are planning on a complete departure of the concept I agree, but there has been no indication RB is planning on doing so.
Meanwhile let the refinements on for instance wings pan out through the field. See where the front wings are heading and then just take the direction you know is succesful. Why push the stone uphill?
The RB approach seems to be stick with a working concept and keep improving it with many small upgrades. In my mind they need to stick with that philosophy. There have been alot of examples in the past where big upgrade packages have actually backfired, because they didnt work as expected.
This combined with Marko saying that they have found a solution that makes both drivers happy makes me think a) they are running a fair bit of ballast to balance the car for both Perez and max and b) Perez has no excuses this year."I'd say that there are very few drivers that like understeer," he said. "I think there's not many drivers that like it.
"And so, from my point of view, Max is able to cope with a less stable rear end than I am able to cope with.
"At the end of the day, we both want a good front end. It's just a question of how stable the rear end can be. And certainly Max has been able to cope with a looser rear end."
Those last sentences from Perez is quite interesting. I feel like a lot of people assume that because Verstappen disliked the understeer on the RB18 from the start of 2022, it meant it was suited towards Perez's style. But in actual fact the source of the understeer was more from the weight of the car. Perez does well in cars with understeer, because it usually will have a stable rear end and he can make use of his skill in acceleration. That doesn't really work well if the source of the understeer is the car being overweight.organic wrote: ↑28 Feb 2023, 13:16https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10437292/
This combined with Marko saying that they have found a solution that makes both drivers happy makes me think a) they are running a fair bit of ballast to balance the car for both Perez and max and b) Perez has no excuses this year."I'd say that there are very few drivers that like understeer," he said. "I think there's not many drivers that like it.
"And so, from my point of view, Max is able to cope with a less stable rear end than I am able to cope with.
"At the end of the day, we both want a good front end. It's just a question of how stable the rear end can be. And certainly Max has been able to cope with a looser rear end."
It feels deliberate to be clear that the car is not being developed in one way or the other, and that Perez is starting from a good place this year
It may just be slightly less 'touchy' and allow a fraction either side of the 'perfect' mark and Chico is finding it easier.BlueCheetah66 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2023, 14:39Those last sentences from Perez is quite interesting. I feel like a lot of people assume that because Verstappen disliked the understeer on the RB18 from the start of 2022, it meant it was suited towards Perez's style. But in actual fact the source of the understeer was more from the weight of the car. Perez does well in cars with understeer, because it usually will have a stable rear end and he can make use of his skill in acceleration. That doesn't really work well if the source of the understeer is the car being overweight.organic wrote: ↑28 Feb 2023, 13:16https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10437292/
This combined with Marko saying that they have found a solution that makes both drivers happy makes me think a) they are running a fair bit of ballast to balance the car for both Perez and max and b) Perez has no excuses this year."I'd say that there are very few drivers that like understeer," he said. "I think there's not many drivers that like it.
"And so, from my point of view, Max is able to cope with a less stable rear end than I am able to cope with.
"At the end of the day, we both want a good front end. It's just a question of how stable the rear end can be. And certainly Max has been able to cope with a looser rear end."
It feels deliberate to be clear that the car is not being developed in one way or the other, and that Perez is starting from a good place this year
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/183955/u ... mical.htmlRed Bull takes no risks
Red Bull is obviously not sitting still either, but there the first major update package might take a little longer. That has everything to do with the wind tunnel penalty imposed on the team by the FIA, according to Helmut Marko. "We have to be economical, both with the budget cap and the wind tunnel times. There is no room for experiments or risks." Red Bull's first major upgrade is expected in Baku.