2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[SmallSoldier]

I personally feel that Buxton should be accountable for inciting some instability.
The twitter frenzy on this creates a real problem for the team and it's not the first time Buxton runs his tongue for clicks. He did backtrack later and suggest it "might have been playful", but the damage is done.

He's done McLaren, Lando and F1 no favours with this toxic gossip.

He just adds to the entertainment… And yes, their jobs (pundits, journalists, etc) is to create “clicks” or better said “engagement”… The problem isn’t Buxton per se, is the fans looking for anything they can use to create or add drama

When it comes to destabilising a team and a driver, wouldn't you say that's a line crossed?
I'd disagree that it's the fans or that it adds to entertainment.
Journalists are incumbent to provide information responsibly. What's happened here is a failing of responsible journalism which actually ended up in him backtracking suggesting it "playful" which is the opposite of his sensationalist bombshell.

To the detriment of McLaren and it's driver.

I don’t think that it destabilizes the Team… They know what actually happened and in debriefing things would have been discussed (from a car perspective) and behind close doors if needed to… Happens most often than not.

I won’t get into a debate in regards to the standards that “journalism” should follow (I do agree with you, but this isn’t the space for that)… But at the same time, I would make a clear differentiation between journalism, reporting and entertainers… The likes of Buxton fit between the last 2 categories.

I do believe that unluckily we are in an era in which everything get scrutinized and analyzed in excess (why did James Key wasn’t at the launch? Why didn’t Lando smiled when he got out of the car? Stella didn’t seem happy, etc.) and narratives are created based on that… I do believe that is the fans that use that in one or another (we’ve read a few of those instances in this thread, where it has been used to belittle the team)… At the end the drama one way or another is fueled by the fans who seem to revel and enjoy it.

I watched the Buxton comment, didn’t think much about it… It was clear that McLaren didn’t had a great test period, Lando was pissed because of it, he may have vented his frustration… I for one I’m happy he shows passion… But didn’t paid more attention than that to it.

[mwillems]

I personally feel that Buxton should be accountable for inciting some instability.
The twitter frenzy on this creates a real problem for the team and it's not the first time Buxton runs his tongue for clicks. He did backtrack later and suggest it "might have been playful", but the damage is done.

He's done McLaren, Lando and F1 no favours with this toxic gossip.

He just adds to the entertainment… And yes, their jobs (pundits, journalists, etc) is to create “clicks” or better said “engagement”… The problem isn’t Buxton per se, is the fans looking for anything they can use to create or add drama

When it comes to destabilising a team and a driver, wouldn't you say that's a line crossed?
I'd disagree that it's the fans or that it adds to entertainment.
Journalists are incumbent to provide information responsibly. What's happened here is a failing of responsible journalism which actually ended up in him backtracking suggesting it "playful" which is the opposite of his sensationalist bombshell.

To the detriment of McLaren and it's driver.

The team and Lando will have moved on and everyone knows how they feel, if indeed anything happened.

It is the "fans" that keep turning the spoon and going over it. No one is responsible for any of this drama more than those who willingly or unwittingly seem to want to consume it an regurgitate it.

[ValeVida46]

It is the "fans" that keep turning the spoon and going over it. No one is responsible for any of this drama more than those who willingly or unwittingly seem to want to consume it an regurgitate it.

I wouldn't say the audience was to blame personally.

I watched the Buxton comment, didn’t think much about it… It was clear that McLaren didn’t had a great test period, Lando was pissed because of it, he may have vented his frustration… I for one I’m happy he shows passion… But didn’t paid more attention than that to it.

I think Lando is great, refreshing in many aspects and a fine driver who, as you rightly say is frustrated.
The focus for the team is the car, and really is no need for distractions I'm sure we all agree.
2 bit journos frustrate me though... I'll just leave it at that.

[mwillems]

It is the "fans" that keep turning the spoon and going over it. No one is responsible for any of this drama more than those who willingly or unwittingly seem to want to consume it an regurgitate it.

I wouldn't say the audience was to blame personally.

I watched the Buxton comment, didn’t think much about it… It was clear that McLaren didn’t had a great test period, Lando was pissed because of it, he may have vented his frustration… I for one I’m happy he shows passion… But didn’t paid more attention than that to it.

I think Lando is great, refreshing in many aspects and a fine driver who, as you rightly say is frustrated.
The focus for the team is the car, and really is no need for distractions I'm sure we all agree.
2 bit journos frustrate me though... I'll just leave it at that.

In general I find consumers the prime focus of responsibility in many aspects of life.

Will Buxton is responsible for himself, everyone else is responsible for how they respond. They eagerly devour it so Will Buxton feeds them more, and why wouldn't he.

[AR3-GP]

Lando first punched, kicked and destroyed a whole wall... James Key is next.. Who knows what then...

From the autorsport forum

on the Sky Sports F1 show last night they stated that Lando has 'gone ballistic' with the team behind the scenes. They were intimating he has said the car isn't good enough (again) and if it doesn't improve fast he will be looking elsewhere.

Seriously? He’s gone ballistic to the point of punching, kicking and destroying a wall??

I can’t believe myself but it it’s true terminate his contract because that kind of attitude will be toxic to the team

Then it's a good thing that Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen all got sacked? oh wait

[Ben1980]

You would presume Lando and Oscar were fully aware of the car and the updates situation. Yet believe he flipped out so much after the non updated car wasn't great.

[genarro]

From the autorsport forum

Seriously? He’s gone ballistic to the point of punching, kicking and destroying a wall??

I can’t believe myself but it it’s true terminate his contract because that kind of attitude will be toxic to the team

Then it's a good thing that Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen all got sacked? oh wait

Hahaha i was being sarcastic... Move on guys cmon

[PhillipM]

It's all bullshit, Lando slapped a screen after he got out of the car while walking past. You know the same as most people might do casually if annoyed, or happy, or randomly on a whim. That's it.

Now all of a sudden it's raging, punching walls, kicking off at the team and all sorts of crap. F1 journalism is a cesspool lately.

[AR3-GP]

Seriously? He’s gone ballistic to the point of punching, kicking and destroying a wall??

I can’t believe myself but it it’s true terminate his contract because that kind of attitude will be toxic to the team

Then it's a good thing that Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen all got sacked? oh wait

Hahaha i was being sarcastic... Move on guys cmon

Sorry, I misinterpreted that

[Mansell89]

It's all bullshit, Lando slapped a screen after he got out of the car while walking past. You know the same as most people might do casually if annoyed, or happy, or randomly on a whim. That's it.

Now all of a sudden it's raging, punching walls, kicking off at the team and all sorts of crap. F1 journalism is a cesspool lately.

100%- let alone the click bait fest on YouTube. My word.

We desperately need some reputable reporters who uphold the sport.

Back to McLaren- I’m more interested in their Race 2 and 3 than I am Bahrain.

[Lucky]

Another aggravating factor is that, according to what has been gathered, in the last year at Woking several top-level team engineers have said goodbye, who have moved elsewhere and have thus weaken the team's technical department, which is now also trying to 'respond' with new personnel and the enhancement of internal figures.
https://www.formu1a.uno/problemi-mclare ... ella-mcl36

[continuum16]

I did not watch all of pre-season testing, just about half of it; were there any interviews directly with James Key? I know they didn't speak to everyone, but I saw they interviewed people like Mike Elliott, Matt Harman, Jan Monchaux, Simone Resta, etc., but I haven't seen or heard from Key. I haven't seen any written press interviews with him since launch day either. He was not at the launch, although he was in a picture they put out in their press release. Strange since McLaren is pretty media-friendly that they've been so tight-lipped, if that's the case.

It's very possible I missed something, though, but I'd like to see what he says, even if it isn't probably going to be revolutionary or substantially more enlightening than what we know already.

[xReVo]

As an Alonso fan, I think you are getting the wrong opinion about the lack of McLaren development. It's true that Aston Martin uses the Mercedes wind tunnel, but let's not forget that its old structure is one of the smallest in the circus. Alpine has the smallest structure ever and I don't think they have these problems, Redbull has the oldest wind tunnel of all and they are the fastest car on the grid. The lack of McLaren development depends only and exclusively on the skill and quality of the technicians and engineers it has. I know it well because if Am has taken this step forward it is above all thanks to Dan Fallows, Blandin, etc. And believe me, after a team principal as good as Seidl left (nothing to take away from Stella) I understood that McLaren wasn't going anywhere. Evidently there is a lack of a person like Ron Dennis who has the ambition and the hunger to win.

[SmallSoldier]

As an Alonso fan, I think you are getting the wrong opinion about the lack of McLaren development. It's true that Aston Martin uses the Mercedes wind tunnel, but let's not forget that its old structure is one of the smallest in the circus. Alpine has the smallest structure ever and I don't think they have these problems, Redbull has the oldest wind tunnel of all and they are the fastest car on the grid. The lack of McLaren development depends only and exclusively on the skill and quality of the technicians and engineers it has. I know it well because if Am has taken this step forward it is above all thanks to Dan Fallows, Blandin, etc. And believe me, after a team principal as good as Seidl left (nothing to take away from Stella) I understood that McLaren wasn't going anywhere. Evidently there is a lack of a person like Ron Dennis who has the ambition and the hunger to win.

Just to clarify… Red Bull doesn’t use the “oldest wind tunnel” in the grid… Actually maybe be the most modern Wind Tunnel in the grid and has updated constantly… It may be in the oldest location, but from a performance perspective is a class leader.

[AR3-GP]

As an Alonso fan, I think you are getting the wrong opinion about the lack of McLaren development. It's true that Aston Martin uses the Mercedes wind tunnel, but let's not forget that its old structure is one of the smallest in the circus. Alpine has the smallest structure ever and I don't think they have these problems, Redbull has the oldest wind tunnel of all and they are the fastest car on the grid. The lack of McLaren development depends only and exclusively on the skill and quality of the technicians and engineers it has. I know it well because if Am has taken this step forward it is above all thanks to Dan Fallows, Blandin, etc. And believe me, after a team principal as good as Seidl left (nothing to take away from Stella) I understood that McLaren wasn't going anywhere. Evidently there is a lack of a person like Ron Dennis who has the ambition and the hunger to win.

Just to clarify… Red Bull doesn’t use the “oldest wind tunnel” in the grid… Actually maybe be the most modern Wind Tunnel in the grid and has updated constantly… It may be in the oldest location, but from a performance perspective is a class leader.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/helmut-ma ... nd-tunnel/

ready.”

“The problem with our wind tunnel is that it is a post-war product,” he told Auto Motor und Sport. “It was built by the British Ministry of Defence. It’s a listed building.

“It’s incredibly long and not insulated. It takes a while to heat up. When it’s cold outside, it takes even longer.
“That’s why we are now building a new wind tunnel on our premises.