Red Bull RB19

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Is that a different beamwing I see?

(My shoe asked me to ask)

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Henk_v wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 16:17
Is that a different beamwing I see?

(My shoe asked me to ask)
Unfortunately...

they ran this last week

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organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 11:45
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... sph-1.webp

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Which wing
That’s the lower downforce wing from testing isn’t it?
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organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 12:12
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02 Mar 2023, 12:10
organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 11:57
I have consulted the archives and they have mounted the medium-high df wing again on the car which was used for most of testing. Seems to be their wing of choice for Bahrain. Not dueling ferrari for topspeed then perhaps
It still is a lower df wing than their medium df wing from last year. It's somewhere halfway between the two specs they used for most of the season (Bahrain and Jeddah). I don't think there's gonna be a big gap in top speed at all. Ferrari only matched RB's medium df wing speed when they introduced the RW they ran in testing this year. Now RB has gone down a notch. If anything, RB might lose out in the acceleration if Ferrari's got some engine magic to show.
https://i.imgur.com/3OHK2vU.png

You reckon spec 1 is higher df than spec 2? I can't tell. So bad at judging these things. Angle on these photos is a bit different mind you

Last season it seemed like RB often had to use a compromised wing setup at medium-high df tracks such as Bahrain and Zandvoort. Seems to me that a med-high df wing was lacking in their lineup so would make sense if the wing on the car is that one
Yes, Spec 1 has a crease in the main plane. Spec 2 is more rounded and lower df.

They did most of testing on spec 1. They’ve come to the track today with Spec 2 and a smaller beam wing. Fascinating.
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AR3-GP wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 17:01

Yes, Spec 1 has a crease in the main plane. Spec 2 is more rounded and lower df.

They did most of testing on spec 1. They’ve come to the track today with Spec 2 and a smaller beam wing. Fascinating.
BW might be the same? I am so bad at judging these things

Top is test. To me differences are down to perspective

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organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 17:05
AR3-GP wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 17:01

Yes, Spec 1 has a crease in the main plane. Spec 2 is more rounded and lower df.

They did most of testing on spec 1. They’ve come to the track today with Spec 2 and a smaller beam wing. Fascinating.
BW might be the same? I am so bad at judging these things

Top is test. To me differences are down to perspective

https://i.imgur.com/dJtvCGt.png
In hindsight, yes I think the beam wings are the same.
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AR3-GP wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 17:25
organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 17:05
AR3-GP wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 17:01

Yes, Spec 1 has a crease in the main plane. Spec 2 is more rounded and lower df.

They did most of testing on spec 1. They’ve come to the track today with Spec 2 and a smaller beam wing. Fascinating.
BW might be the same? I am so bad at judging these things

Top is test. To me differences are down to perspective

https://i.imgur.com/dJtvCGt.png
In hindsight, yes I think the beam wings are the same.
I'd like to recant... :lol:

These look like two different beam wings to me. Both are from the test.

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Amazing. We've been bamboozled

Well at least we've made another testing observation :D great job

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organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 14:35
As pointed out on Twitter by @Danielealofan the floor struts seem to be similar to last year - still metal and substantial

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That caliper looks like a procupine. Interesting cooling.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 19:07
organic wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 14:35
As pointed out on Twitter by @Danielealofan the floor struts seem to be similar to last year - still metal and substantial

https://i.imgur.com/CnuaqNe.png
That caliper looks like a procupine. Interesting cooling.
Great spot! RB really going the extra mile for that last bit of cooling.

Any idea if it was like this last year?
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
02 Mar 2023, 19:07
That caliper looks like a procupine. Interesting cooling.
Weight saving while maintaining sufficient cooling.

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Not sure that's for heat exchange, you need ribs, not needles... Unless those are some tubes and hot air goes through them.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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You just want more surface area. The shape is secondary when it comes to cooling. The small spines may be better for air circulation in the drum compared to ribs. Try to simulate the difference. ;)
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No. Pins are better for heat exchange as they build less boundary layer.

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I reckon that the pins not only increase the surface area but have a secondary effect of encouraging more mixing of the air (which encourages even more heat transfer).
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