2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[mendis]

With Mercedes holding stakes in Aston Martin, it makes perfect sense for Mercedes to drive a more closer relationship between Mercedes HPP and Aston Martin to help AM get far more help in chassis and PU integration aspects. It's a win-win situation for them.

[Jdn1327]

Customer teams do have a habit of beating the works team...redbull and Renault...McLaren and Mercedes...time to stop living in denial and realize the change of guard has happened...mediocrity is what Mercedes are now...Lewis will retire this year and George will be where he started...fighting for the scraps. Mercedes are a disaster

[Matt2725]

They need a reset in the engineering department. Elliott has got to be on the hot seat.

What is Allison doing?

I'm not sure putting it down to one person is the answer.
They've obviously seen something they want to pursue but perhaps don't have the ability to develop effectively.

It's telling they assumed they'd be 1.5 second up on the field at the start of last year. Based on today's timings, that theoretical advantage is gone.

[DGP123]

Have to agree. Concept is a dud. At best, third or fourth this year. Massive disappointment.

[AR3-GP]

Completely disaster for Mercedes. It is not fast in a lap and it has a bad race pace. And the motor is not an excuse, look at AM.

At least the top speed is ok now

The Williams always has great top speed.

[Venturiation]

team is done

[mafeotul]

Customer teams do have a habit of beating the works team...redbull and Renault...McLaren and Mercedes...time to stop living in denial and realize the change of guard has happened...mediocrity is what Mercedes are now...Lewis will retire this year and George will be where he started...fighting for the scraps. Mercedes are a disaster

Lol, this has to be the most delusional take i have seen in my life.

[DGP123]

team is done

Basically what we knew already, and people think he’s signing that new deal.

He won’t be there next year

[mendis]

team is done

It was pure misconception that people kept thinking Mercedes were closing the gap to the front last year. For some reasons, people were happy to believe it that way, rather than looking deep and understanding that, Red Bull and Ferrari had stopped developing their 2022 cars and moved on to 2023 after summer break, whereas Mercedes kept developing 2022 car until end of season. It gave a false picture that Mercedes have closed the gap to the front. Now that the Red Bull and Ferrari have come with all the upgrades of the second half of last season, they naturally have a margin over Mercedes. Abu Dhabi last year should have been a wake up call that suggested that the performance difference, despite Mercedes' late season development, still kept them 7 tenths away from Red Bull.

[mkay]

They need a reset in the engineering department. Elliott has got to be on the hot seat.

What is Allison doing?

I'm not sure putting it down to one person is the answer.
They've obviously seen something they want to pursue but perhaps don't have the ability to develop effectively.

It's telling they assumed they'd be 1.5 second up on the field at the start of last year. Based on today's timings, that theoretical advantage is gone.

They clearly need to make some room to bring senior talent from other teams, as they've clearly run out of internal talent to promote from within, with all that brain drain. Look at the jump AM made by poaching Fallows from RB and other senior engineers from Merc/RB. Mercedes itself became a powerhouse by poaching from Ferrari, RB, McLaren and Renault/Lotus.

Elliott oversaw and approved the W13-14 architecture. As the de facto leader on the tech side, he's got to bear responsibility for the team's failures.

[Jozsusz]

This zeropod concept and the car is a joke.

[Matt2725]

Well I guess we'll see from Baku maybe if they finally decide to give up on the idea.

[Bill_Kar]

Well I guess we'll see from Baku maybe if they finally decide to give up on the idea.

Are you referring to a B-spec car? Is there such a talk?

[DGP123]

There’s no B spec. It’s the turd being polished with an upgrade. Won’t make it any quicker. It’s game over.

The highlight for this year is who wins the inter team battle. That’s it.

[zibby43]

Merc getting spanked by a customer team. Elliott is in over his head quite frankly.