2023 Williams Racing F1 Team

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Is Sargent Canadian?

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FW17 wrote:
05 Mar 2023, 10:09
Is Sargent Canadian?

https://i.imgur.com/kd2ACKi.jpg
relic of latifi :cry:

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Some extreme weight saving (fw damage causing Q2 exit)

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FW17 wrote:
05 Mar 2023, 10:09
Is Sargent Canadian?

https://i.imgur.com/kd2ACKi.jpg
Most Americans secretly want to be Canadian anyway right?

On a serious note... It's good to see the team kinda happy for a change. It's been a hard past 4 out of 5 years
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vowl ... /10439499/

Not sure if this is the right decision, hope he was just making excuses for a car that was not his responsibility. The car turns out to be pretty decent and not too far off even the top teams, they should not abandon development whilst other will be hoping to make gains.

The team has the highest number of wind tunnel hours allocated which they should maximise, heck do a sneaky deal with Toto whose team have little knowledge of the sidepod concept and now have given up the zero pod concept. They have a good baseline to push towards front midfield so why focus on 3years down the line which might not work.

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Points for the team on the first race, for the first time since 2017. Good job, and the car did not even feel out of place.

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The car is brilliant. Sargeant only 7s off albon and maybe both cars didn't have the optimal downforce level.

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Albon is using the same rear wing the team used in circuits like Baku and Monza. So it wasn't surprise he was killing his tyres so early whereas Logan was running the maximum high downforce rear wing.

Anyway, great race for the team. Points in the first race is a good start to the season.

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McMika98 wrote:
05 Mar 2023, 14:21
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vowl ... /10439499/

Not sure if this is the right decision, hope he was just making excuses for a car that was not his responsibility. The car turns out to be pretty decent and not too far off even the top teams, they should not abandon development whilst other will be hoping to make gains.

The team has the highest number of wind tunnel hours allocated which they should maximise, heck do a sneaky deal with Toto whose team have little knowledge of the sidepod concept and now have given up the zero pod concept. They have a good baseline to push towards front midfield so why focus on 3years down the line which might not work.
Hope Vowles changes his viewpoint after this race.

The FW45 with upgrades will enable Williams to fight for points every race.

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EJ22B wrote:
05 Mar 2023, 19:13
Albon is using the same rear wing the team used in circuits like Baku and Monza. So it wasn't surprise he was killing his tyres so early whereas Logan was running the maximum high downforce rear wing.

Anyway, great race for the team. Points in the first race is a good start to the season.
Great race by both drivers, Logan was super impressive. The higher downforce was a better race option for deg but Albon once again managed to pull out a classic drive to get a well deserved point. The team has the outright race pace of midfield and they should try to go for more downforce instead of their patented low downforce hope we get in front of a DRS train somehow and hold onto a position.

The car is very basic yet similar to Redbull / Aston concept so they should be able to make easy gains quickly.

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https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-vowl ... ms-divide/
Good to see at least some effort in addressing the cultural disconnect at the team, even if it's small.

I think Vowles has good potential at Williams, and is trying to actively learn from the mistakes of his predecessors. At the end of the Williams family days, the team slowly declined into more or less pure survival mode at the cost of investment, cohesion, technical development, etc.

Capito seemed to want to try too hard to make a clean break without really winning over the majority of the team first, including immediately bringing in Demaison from VW which seemed to cause a further divide in the technical depts. if rumors are to be believed. It was always a case of "let's get back to the front ASAP" which is not really possible with the cultural inertia Capito needed to overcome but seemingly failed to do so.

Vowles seems to have a more measured approach than both, recognizing that you won't get to the front if you can't even get to the midfield first. He does have the added benefit of both a car and driver lineup that appears to be the most balanced and competitive since possibly at least 2017 (GR was good 2019-21 but the car was terrible). And he has the points monkey off his back, which doesn't hurt.
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https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/461502 ... ct-bahrain
Vowles still says after the performance in Bahrain that the development on the FW45 will still be limited as he wants to invest in the technical capabilities, systems and tools to be competitive in 2024 and 25.
I don't understand his point. The Capex investment is a fixed amount of 36m over a period of four years and not part of the seasonal cost cap. Therefore they should be able to upgrade the car through the season without interfering with the Capex.

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EJ22B wrote:
09 Mar 2023, 22:42
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/461502 ... ct-bahrain
Vowles still says after the performance in Bahrain that the development on the FW45 will still be limited as he wants to invest in the technical capabilities, systems and tools to be competitive in 2024 and 25.
I don't understand his point. The Capex investment is a fixed amount of 36m over a period of four years and not part of the seasonal cost cap. Therefore they should be able to upgrade the car through the season without interfering with the Capex.
The correct interpretation is that you are permitted 36m of excluded cost towards Capex investment. Any additional capex investment would have to come out of the budget cap. If the team wants to spend 100 million on infrastructure then 64m will have to come out of the budget cap. 36m is excluded cost.
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So any chance of David Sanchez ending up at Williams?

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EJ22B wrote:
09 Mar 2023, 22:42
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/461502 ... ct-bahrain
Vowles still says after the performance in Bahrain that the development on the FW45 will still be limited as he wants to invest in the technical capabilities, systems and tools to be competitive in 2024 and 25.
I don't understand his point. The Capex investment is a fixed amount of 36m over a period of four years and not part of the seasonal cost cap. Therefore they should be able to upgrade the car through the season without interfering with the Capex.
Don't like the deja vu of every new leader going in the constant spiral of restructure and long term focus. Capito said similar stuff about long term focus and implementation. It appears they had a major restructure last year which supposedly is the reason for this year car gains but now we want another fresh pair of eyes. It will be a massive distraction for the entire workforce.

Quite like the hardcore cut throat leadership style of Musk and Stroll of pushing everyone to beyond their limit whilst also enticing seasoned talents to the group.

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