Yes, of course. Red Bull deliberately lost races and poles. Verstappen above all. Sorry, but I can't say anything about it now and just let what you say speak for itself. And Mercedes would not have found the connection partially, where they nevertheless developed and developed around to understand what they must do, where others had already stopped for a long time, then they would be directly incapable.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 18:53ferrari concept has no more potential it was close in 2022 only because redbull didn't push and knew they had both titles in the bag and mercedes was at same race pace as ferrariAndi76 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 18:45I don't think you can call a concept that was on par with Red Bull in 2022 (up to TD39) and partly the fastest (qualifying) and obviously still has a high qualifying pace a failure after only one race with high tire degradation. Even more so when parts of this concept are among the most copied at all. Sorry, but that's a bit far-fetched now.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 17:24they need to change concept , the SF23 is a failure like the W14 they had similar pace and both were almost 1,5 second slower than redbull on race pace
It's not like Mercedes has been lagging behind for over a year and has obvious aerodynamic problems. And again - this concept was the fastest in 2022 in terms of pure speed (qualifying). And so far we've had one race on an exceptional course. To call a concept a failure after something like that - you can't really say anything about it. Sorry.
None of the drivers really complained about bouncing. If you mean Sainz's short question in the race - then pretty much every car should be a failure, because at some point during the weekend several drivers asked why the car was bouncing. Red Bull had even exceeded the readings....and the tires - that has rather little to do with the concept.Venturiation wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 17:47
it's the 3rd fastest in race pace,
it is a failure when you stopped upgrading since july 2022 to focus on 2023
the car is the same qualifying looking closer and in the race destroying tyres, they had almost a year to fix that
and drivers still complain about bouncing when all teams have fixed it
in 2023 it's not enough the ferrari is too far back
I agree that Ferrari is far behind Red Bull in the race. But that has nothing to do with the concept, because the pace itself is there, as you can see in qualifying. And as I said, it's the first race. If you make such final judgments - then you haven't seen much of F1, sorry.