Supposedly the floor edge is relatively simple so some good gains could be available here
While I can't be sure, I assumed Alonso was bringing the tires in gently. AM knew they had tire advantage over everyone in front and realistically, they were always going to beat Mercs and Sainz.Alo_Fan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:13Yeah to be honest, as good as Fernando drove yesterday, it seemed from the live timing, at times he could have drove faster if he had been more comfortable with the power steering etc. Stroll especially at the beginning of the race showed just as good, if not better pace than Fernando, but at the end of the race Fernando came good.Miha_v wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 11:34Great. Knowing weaknessess is the first step to improvingAR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 05:08After listening to the post race presser where Alonso was asked to discuss the weaknesses of the car, while he didn't want to be forthcoming, he in a roundabout way hinted at the following issues:
1) straightline speed (not as efficient as RB, harder to overtake)
2) Power delivery (Despite the traction, Alonso had a LOT of wheel spin in 3rd gear in his battles, power delivery is not smooth)
3) Steering (A regular complaint of Alonso's at new teams He usually cites a lack of feeling in the front end).
Anyone remember Alonso having a bit of difficulty after returning to f1 with Alpine? He was ok, but not great - until they tweaked his steering system to his liking. After that, he was his old self - really fast again. Considering how he drove yesterday I would have thought, steering is perfect already
I hear that, but his pace on the softs once the Mercs pitted in front wasn't that great either. My feeling is once he's fully dialled in, he should probably be around 3-5 tenths ahead of Stroll in race conditions.AR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:22While I can't be sure, I assumed Alonso was bringing the tires in gently. AM knew they had tire advantage over everyone in front and realistically, they were always going to beat Mercs and Sainz.Alo_Fan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:13Yeah to be honest, as good as Fernando drove yesterday, it seemed from the live timing, at times he could have drove faster if he had been more comfortable with the power steering etc. Stroll especially at the beginning of the race showed just as good, if not better pace than Fernando, but at the end of the race Fernando came good.Miha_v wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 11:34
Great. Knowing weaknessess is the first step to improving
Anyone remember Alonso having a bit of difficulty after returning to f1 with Alpine? He was ok, but not great - until they tweaked his steering system to his liking. After that, he was his old self - really fast again. Considering how he drove yesterday I would have thought, steering is perfect already
I'm also factoring in that Stroll came back from a terrible injury and no testing time, so I expected Fernando to be further ahead than he was.AR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:22While I can't be sure, I assumed Alonso was bringing the tires in gently. AM knew they had tire advantage over everyone in front and realistically, they were always going to beat Mercs and Sainz.Alo_Fan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:13Yeah to be honest, as good as Fernando drove yesterday, it seemed from the live timing, at times he could have drove faster if he had been more comfortable with the power steering etc. Stroll especially at the beginning of the race showed just as good, if not better pace than Fernando, but at the end of the race Fernando came good.Miha_v wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 11:34
Great. Knowing weaknessess is the first step to improving
Anyone remember Alonso having a bit of difficulty after returning to f1 with Alpine? He was ok, but not great - until they tweaked his steering system to his liking. After that, he was his old self - really fast again. Considering how he drove yesterday I would have thought, steering is perfect already
I agree, the first stint looked odd. Stroll was catching him up, before he got onto the back of Russell.Alo_Fan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:30I'm also factoring in that Stroll came back from a terrible injury and no testing time, so I expected Fernando to be further ahead than he was.AR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:22While I can't be sure, I assumed Alonso was bringing the tires in gently. AM knew they had tire advantage over everyone in front and realistically, they were always going to beat Mercs and Sainz.Alo_Fan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:13
Yeah to be honest, as good as Fernando drove yesterday, it seemed from the live timing, at times he could have drove faster if he had been more comfortable with the power steering etc. Stroll especially at the beginning of the race showed just as good, if not better pace than Fernando, but at the end of the race Fernando came good.
To be honest, I think the longer the race went on, Stroll was probably manging his pain more and more as well. I really hope once Fernando figures out the intricacies of this car, he'll be able to get even more pace out of this fast machine.AR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 21:34I agree, the first stint looked odd. Stroll was catching him up, before he got onto the back of Russell.
I also expect a bigger gap to stroll in the future. Alonso was a lot quicker as expected in the final stint even as he was avoiding the kerbs, while Stroll was having to push to keep Russell behind (although given the car, that wasn't very difficult).
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You said it wasn’t an evolution and a completely new platform. It clearly is an evolution, and not a new platform by any means. The DNA of the RB18 is clear as day. They’ve taken that base concept and developed it their own way. The RB19 has gone a different direction, stayed more close to the original.PinkFloydPulse wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 23:54No offence, but what on earth are you talking about? I think you completely missed what I was talking about in the 1st point of the list... The AMR23 is clearly a clean slate compared to the AMR22... UNLIKE the RB19 being an evolution of the RB18 and a better car in all areas... It makes absolutely zero sense that you would compare a physical car from one team (Aston) to a virtual concept of another (Red Bull)... Yes, they went the RB way and refined it in their way, but all the data and setup they used for the AMR22 last season are VOID for the AMR23 this year, hence they still have a lot to discover about their new car...Cs98 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 23:34The car isn't an evolution? Have you seen the side on view compared to the RB? It's clearly AM's evolution on the 2022 RB aero concept, which they tried to emulate after Fallows joined in 2022. They've done a very good job of evolving that concept with their own ideas.PinkFloydPulse wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 20:26I think the other teams (bar RB sadly) should be pretty worried now...
-The car is a completely new platform and not an evolution like RB and they still need to learn about it and dial it in
-Stroll is still not fit to drive and had ZERO testing
-Alonso still not happy with the steering and brakes and not fully "in the zone" with the car atm
-Dan Fallows (need I say more? )
-Upgrades on the way probably season long since they have an epic base to continue to work in for 2024
When all of these things "click" it will be super fun to watch for the fans, probably not so much for the other teams...
I think that what OP was getting at is that it's new platform for AMCs98 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 23:00You said it wasn’t an evolution and a completely new platform. It clearly is an evolution, and not a new platform by any means. The DNA of the RB18 is clear as day. They’ve taken that base concept and developed it their own way. The RB19 has gone a different direction, stayed more close to the original.PinkFloydPulse wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 23:54No offence, but what on earth are you talking about? I think you completely missed what I was talking about in the 1st point of the list... The AMR23 is clearly a clean slate compared to the AMR22... UNLIKE the RB19 being an evolution of the RB18 and a better car in all areas... It makes absolutely zero sense that you would compare a physical car from one team (Aston) to a virtual concept of another (Red Bull)... Yes, they went the RB way and refined it in their way, but all the data and setup they used for the AMR22 last season are VOID for the AMR23 this year, hence they still have a lot to discover about their new car...Cs98 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 23:34
The car isn't an evolution? Have you seen the side on view compared to the RB? It's clearly AM's evolution on the 2022 RB aero concept, which they tried to emulate after Fallows joined in 2022. They've done a very good job of evolving that concept with their own ideas.
Their first go with the RB18 aero platform was already last year, from Spain onwards. This is their first evolution on that base, which is why you can see it starting to differentiate from the RB19.AR3-GP wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 23:06I think that what OP was getting at is that it's new platform for AMCs98 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 23:00You said it wasn’t an evolution and a completely new platform. It clearly is an evolution, and not a new platform by any means. The DNA of the RB18 is clear as day. They’ve taken that base concept and developed it their own way. The RB19 has gone a different direction, stayed more close to the original.PinkFloydPulse wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 23:54
No offence, but what on earth are you talking about? I think you completely missed what I was talking about in the 1st point of the list... The AMR23 is clearly a clean slate compared to the AMR22... UNLIKE the RB19 being an evolution of the RB18 and a better car in all areas... It makes absolutely zero sense that you would compare a physical car from one team (Aston) to a virtual concept of another (Red Bull)... Yes, they went the RB way and refined it in their way, but all the data and setup they used for the AMR22 last season are VOID for the AMR23 this year, hence they still have a lot to discover about their new car...
So the first go will always be "rough". Much like the original RB18. AMR built their first version of this concept.
This pic was taken when he won the WDC with Renault I thinkMr Alcatraz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023, 01:56How awesome is Fred, aka "The WILY Old Fox" aka The modern day Hadrian.
All hail Caesar!!!
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