F1 2010 Entries

[WhiteBlue]

A further interesting twist is the offer by FOTA to negotiate a bilateral governance process with the FIA.

"Accordingly, we have requested that the FIA join with FOM and the teams to sign a binding agreement that will bring stability at the very earliest opportunity, or alternatively, enter into a separate bi-lateral governance agreement between the teams and the FIA."

This could go a long way towards opening up F1 to new teams. FOM has a vested interest to lock teams into multi year contracts, which isn't relevant to the FIA. The FIA have allways run the championship on a yearly basis and have been outspoken about the wish to make it open and affordable to new entrants.

I hope that this opportunity to cut the ties between FIA and FOM is utilised. The two organisations have different objectives and bi-lateral contracts could make it easier to come to an agreement.

[kilcoo316]

Right now, I hope FOTA walk away from FOM.


Walk away, new series, new rules, no Max, no Bernie, less political bullsh!t.

[natef1]

All existing teams have been included which is a good step in my view. It takes some of the confrontation away. I am disappointed not to see Prodrive on the list. It could indicate that the FIA will not stand firm on the 45 mil € spending regulation in 2011 and will agree to a different kind of resource limitation which effectively will mean an higher spending limit. Not having Prodrive and Aston Martin may be the price for keeping the peace.

I can't see there being any peace for a while yet.

RBR (consequentially STR) and Ferrari are both against the FIA's decision, with Ferrari almost certain to take this to court.

Just really, really hope FOTA stick with their beliefs and slap the FIA and FOM for dragging the sport down.

[mcdenife]

That was a cynical, twisted, dirty and blatant ploy by the FIA to further drive a wedge between the FOTA teams...and no WB, it does not take any of the confrontation away, if anything, you could not get anymore confrontational than that as evidenced by responses from Ferrari, Red Bull and STR. The FIA has now forced them to take an even more non-concilliatory stance. The FIA probably thought it was giving the teams a way to back down and let this die quietly (it says something that it did not need to include 5 teams with conditional entries but it did). However it seems this has backfired. Aside from the fact that Legally, what Ferrari had was a conditional commitment to F1, this (or any) commitment does not equate to, imply or warrant an automatic entry every season.

[WhiteBlue]

It appears to me that admitting more than 3 new teams and leaving FOTA teams out would have been a lot more confrontational, hence my remark. I hope that bi-lateral negotiations about governance can settle the outstanding issues between FIA and FOTA. At least it would establish FOTA as a recognised body in the governance process with guranteed rights and that seems to be one of the sticking points. All commercial issues could be excluded and left to the teams and FOM to sort out.

[freedom_honda]

I'm quite surprised that Prodrive isn't granted an entry for next year. Out of all the new entries I thought Prodrive and USF1 has the biggest chance of getting in.

[woohoo]

I dont understand.

Why dident Prodrive and Lola make it ???

I mean, there are allready 28 cars on the 2010 grid as it is, Why not go for 32 ?
id love it

[Giblet]

There are not enough spaces at the grand prix events for 32 cars, are there?

[timd]

Well if there is a break away lola-prodrive are now free to talk to them.

I am supprised the FIA didnt snatch them up.

[Conceptual]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76057

Wirth to build Manor's Formula 1 car

By Pablo Elizalde Friday, June 12th 2009, 11:31 GMT


Wirth Research has confirmed a exclusive partnership with the Manor Grand Prix team to produce its Formula 1 car for 2010.

Formula 3 squad Manor was one of three new teams included on the FIA's entry list for next season, and former F1 chief designer Nick Wirth will be working on the new car.

The services will be provided by WR Technology Ltd as well as Wirth Research.

"Up until recently even my closest friends and family would have confirmed that I had no interest in making a return to designing Formula 1 cars," Wirth said.

"It's only with the exciting possibilities of cost constraints, with a refreshing new emphasis on design ingenuity and resource efficiency, that Formula 1 has now become a viable and fascinating new challenge for Wirth Research, and we will make sure it has all of the race-winning know-how that our previous cars have enjoyed.

"We see this project as a wonderful opportunity to demonstrate the quality of our work, increase our range of technology and engineering capacity to the benefit of all our existing and potential clients beyond Formula 1.

"As the project evolves, we hope to continue to demonstrate the benefits of our unique approach to Development in the Digital Domain."

Manor will be using Cosworth engines in 2010.

So, the FIA pick a team that is sub-contracting their car (thus are not actually a "constructor" in the purest sense of the term), but pass over Prodrive?

Who the hell is actually making these decisions at the FIA? Isn't this by deffinition a "customer car"?

[WhiteBlue]

F1technical

Manor is based in the UK across two sites, one in Sheffield and the other in Bicester. Its technical innovation is characterised by the fact that the race cars are designed, tested and refined entirely in the digital domain using the processes originally developed by Wirth Research Limited (WRL).

WRL is an engineering company, founded by Nick Wirth in 2003, which specialises in research, development and manufacturing in the high technology sector. WRL's designs were successful in winning both the 2004 and 2005 lndy Racing League championships and it has recently produced race winning designs for Honda competing in the American Le Mans Series.

Wirth, who is the Technical Director of Manor Grand Prix Racing, started his career as an Aerodynamicist for the March F1 racing team. He was responsible for aerodynamic concepts as well as scheming and design of wind tunnel model components for the 1988 and 1989 Leyton House March F1 cars.

From 1993 to 1995, Wirth was Founder/Owner/Technical Director of the Simtek F1 team, which started in the 1994 F1 championship. Simtek Research provided the team with all of the engineering and design of the cars. Wirth went on to become Chief Designer for the Benetton F1 team from 1996 to 1999.

It appears to me from the FIA due diligence published at F1technical about Manor, that they have in depth constructor capabilities. To do some out house manufacturing seems reasonable in the start up phase of a new F1 team.

[Miguel]

This is looking really bad. It seems to me that the FIA has tried "befriending" a couple of FOTA teams in order not to confront FOTA directly, but to open ranks there, and have an easier individual negotiation.

FOTA is playing well its cards in my opinion, and is probably gaining adepts within the corporate world with "middle ground" statements, while Mad Max goes on the record stating that "I make the rules". A split is looking more likely by the minute. I also have the feeling that Williams will try their best in order to race with the FOTA teams, if the split happens.

BTW: I am not convinced that Bernie has a hold onto the circuits. Suing the circuits for hosting another high profile series could be understood as monopoly abuse here in Europe. Yes, even if the contract states so, since some contract clauses can be considered unenforceable by a judge.

[woohoo]

There are not enough spaces at the grand prix events for 32 cars, are there?

well the limit is 26, so there are two cars not making the qualifications anyway, so why not allow the others to try anyway ? Just my opinion

[WhiteBlue]

...I mean, there are allready 28 cars on the 2010 grid as it is, Why not go for 32 ?
id love it

the FIA list:

SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO
SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO
RED BULL RACING
AT&T WILLIAMS
FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM
CAMPOS GRAND PRIX
MANOR GRAND PRIX
TEAM US F1
VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES*
BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM*
RENAULT F1 TEAM*
PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING*
BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM*

I belive that 13 teams are on the list which would equate to 26 cars as decided by the WMSC.

[woohoo]

So I cant count!

...I mean, there are allready 28 cars on the 2010 grid as it is, Why not go for 32 ?
id love it

the FIA list:

SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO
SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO
RED BULL RACING
AT&T WILLIAMS
FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM
CAMPOS GRAND PRIX
MANOR GRAND PRIX
TEAM US F1
VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES*
BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM*
RENAULT F1 TEAM*
PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING*
BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM*

I belive that 13 teams are on the list which would equate to 26 cars as decided by the WMSC.