alonso full race onboard + telemetry
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XkqKTN ... sp=sharing
Yeah, the real question is what discrepancy in power will the regulations allow?NAPI10 wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:02Things move so fast in F1;Hamilton will be irked for sureKimiRai wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 21:31In other news, this Spanish publication is reporting that if Mercedes don't improve and Aston keeps beating them then the engines with the best numbers will go to Aston Martin, which would mean an increase of 4 hp. Not too sure about the reliability of the portal but I share it anyways.
https://theobjective.com/deportes/2023- ... formula-1/
You're misunderstanding the point. The PUs are not being deliberately run at different power levels.diffuser wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 16:22Yeah, the real question is what discrepancy in power will the regulations allow?NAPI10 wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:02Things move so fast in F1;Hamilton will be irked for sureKimiRai wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 21:31In other news, this Spanish publication is reporting that if Mercedes don't improve and Aston keeps beating them then the engines with the best numbers will go to Aston Martin, which would mean an increase of 4 hp. Not too sure about the reliability of the portal but I share it anyways.
https://theobjective.com/deportes/2023- ... formula-1/
I also find it strange that merc would run a higher powered PU for testing... to what end? So they can turn it down? Plus those regs don't apply for testing. The FIA isn't checking the sensors then. They might just check the functionality of them.
I understand, but the rules don't allow for power differences and the FIA have several sensors to make sure of it.AR3-GP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 16:40You're misunderstanding the point. The PUs are not being deliberately run at different power levels.diffuser wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 16:22Yeah, the real question is what discrepancy in power will the regulations allow?
I also find it strange that merc would run a higher powered PU for testing... to what end? So they can turn it down? Plus those regs don't apply for testing. The FIA isn't checking the sensors then. They might just check the functionality of them.
The differences in power output are related to the realities of the manufacturing process. It is virtually impossible for two PUs perform identically to the nearest tenth of a kilowatt at all RPMs. It's not deliberate, and it's accepted by both the FIA and the customer teams as long as these differences are rather small. 4hp is "small", but still you'd rather have the PU with the 4 extra hp.
I don't want to belabor the point, but it's worth repeating that it doesn't matter how badly Mercedes want the PUs to be identical. It's not possible. As I explained previously, these are the realities of the manufacturing process. Tolerances. Small differences in friction between the rotating components due to tolerances. There will be very small differences in power output.diffuser wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 04:16I understand, but the rules don't allow for power differences and the FIA have several sensors to make sure of it.AR3-GP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 16:40You're misunderstanding the point. The PUs are not being deliberately run at different power levels.diffuser wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 16:22
Yeah, the real question is what discrepancy in power will the regulations allow?
I also find it strange that merc would run a higher powered PU for testing... to what end? So they can turn it down? Plus those regs don't apply for testing. The FIA isn't checking the sensors then. They might just check the functionality of them.
The differences in power output are related to the realities of the manufacturing process. It is virtually impossible for two PUs perform identically to the nearest tenth of a kilowatt at all RPMs. It's not deliberate, and it's accepted by both the FIA and the customer teams as long as these differences are rather small. 4hp is "small", but still you'd rather have the PU with the 4 extra hp.
Doesn’t matter if the have 200HP more. If the FIA say they have be the same at the sensors. Well, they're not allowed to use the xtra power or risk being disqualified.AR3-GP wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 04:28I don't want to belabor the point, but it's worth repeating that it doesn't matter how badly Mercedes want the PUs to be identical. It's not possible. As I explained previously, these are the realities of the manufacturing process. Tolerances. Small differences in friction between the rotating components due to tolerances. There will be very small differences in power output.diffuser wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 04:16I understand, but the rules don't allow for power differences and the FIA have several sensors to make sure of it.AR3-GP wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 16:40
You're misunderstanding the point. The PUs are not being deliberately run at different power levels.
The differences in power output are related to the realities of the manufacturing process. It is virtually impossible for two PUs perform identically to the nearest tenth of a kilowatt at all RPMs. It's not deliberate, and it's accepted by both the FIA and the customer teams as long as these differences are rather small. 4hp is "small", but still you'd rather have the PU with the 4 extra hp.
It doesn't matter "what the rules say" or that the FIA have "several sensors". Mercedes do their best to make sure the PUs are as close as possible, and historically, the customer teams have never complained. It's one of those things where you look the other way because you're the customer and 4hp is not something to ruin a relationship over.
.snajam wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 19:01.
I also fail to see why is everyone barking that they look the same. Amr22b was a copy. This year apart from some features like the undercut, sidepod lip and front suspension, there is no other resemblance like the RB. The amr23 is a well though out fusion of many concepts on the grid. We obviously don't know of the floor, but the fences are also nowhere near RB like.
Foolish noises coming from the entire RB camp
The Red Bull leaders have a similar opinion, with Christian Horner concluding:
"Aston Martin has actually shown all the teams what is possible. They have done a very good job.
And anyway, copying is very flattering, that's actually the biggest compliment you can get.
In that respect it's kind of nice to see that our old car can still come along so well..."
Isn't it? That last paragraph is exactly what I mean, an unnecessary and false dig, how is the Amr23 last year's RB? How is it copying? They're just subtle ways of taking credit for others work. I've usually sided with RB when it makes sense but unfortunately it seems the non technical brass (including checo) have gone blind. You wont hear these statements from Newey, as they are factually untrue. Never did we hear Alpine accusing amr when the most unique visible feature on the car comes from them.Wouter wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 10:23.snajam wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 19:01.
I also fail to see why is everyone barking that they look the same. Amr22b was a copy. This year apart from some features like the undercut, sidepod lip and front suspension, there is no other resemblance like the RB. The amr23 is a well though out fusion of many concepts on the grid. We obviously don't know of the floor, but the fences are also nowhere near RB like.
Foolish noises coming from the entire RB camp
Is that so?
.The Red Bull leaders have a similar opinion, with Christian Horner concluding:
"Aston Martin has actually shown all the teams what is possible. They have done a very good job.
And anyway, copying is very flattering, that's actually the biggest compliment you can get.
In that respect it's kind of nice to see that our old car can still come along so well..."
.snajam wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 11:40.Wouter wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 10:23.snajam wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 19:01
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I also fail to see why is everyone barking that they look the same. Amr22b was a copy. This year apart from some features like the undercut, sidepod lip and front suspension, there is no other resemblance like the RB. The amr23 is a well though out fusion of many concepts on the grid. We obviously don't know of the floor, but the fences are also nowhere near RB like.
Foolish noises coming from the entire RB camp
Is that so?
.The Red Bull leaders have a similar opinion, with Christian Horner concluding:
"Aston Martin has actually shown all the teams what is possible. They have done a very good job.
And anyway, copying is very flattering, that's actually the biggest compliment you can get.
In that respect it's kind of nice to see that our old car can still come along so well..."
Isn't it? That last paragraph is exactly what I mean, an unnecessary and false dig, how is the Amr23 last year's RB? How is it copying? They're just subtle ways of taking credit for others work. I've usually sided with RB when it makes sense but unfortunately it seems the non technical brass (including checo) have gone blind.
You wont hear these statements from Newey, as they are factually untrue. Never did we hear Alpine accusing amr when the most unique visible feature on the car comes from them.
After passing Sainz he was +26 seconds off Perez. After some laps he got to +24 seconds off, then again in the end finished +26 seconds off. You can check telemetry + Alonso's radio hereMansell89 wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 17:12Any idea where Alonso would have been in race trim in clean air versus the Red Bulls?
Obviously he got stuck behind Mercedes to start with and eventually Ferrari- before then turning the engine down (as did Max and Checo).
Any idea what the race lap time differential was?
I know he wouldn’t have been a threat for race win but interested to have an idea of the gap.
According to Scarbs, the AMR23's floor edge is very simple.