See the truncated part of my post. Maybe it's a moot point but an undercut nacelle + wing within the sidepod area (as defined in the rules) wouldn't be possible; what chrisc90 brought up. The inverted W14 nacelles bridge the X and Y planes at orthagonals so they would be legal even if they extended farther forward.Vanja #66 wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 09:33Actually, I think with this year's design they'd be able to have an undercut. The inlet starts right where the wing ends and they form a single surface on the inside. This means W14 has only one surface intersection in y-cut in the width of the inlet, so they can actually introduce an undercut and keep the wing. The thing is, I'm not sure that's something you'd want to do, you'd need to raise the inlet and extend the width and that would effectively cancel out the mid wing and likely it's downwash effects too.
Looks like the Bahrain wing with a slightly trimmed trailing edge of the drs flap?organic wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 14:58budget cap producing some interestingly shaped wings..
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Generally true. But at this level of precision, what's going on above the floor has a lot to do with it, too. Your example of the RB-10 and the blown diffuser is a prime example.PlatinumZealot wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 13:15Generally, yes the bigger the floor the more downforce... But it is very dependent on the geometry. RedBull had smaller floors and narrower diffusers in the V8 era and made more downforce than other teams.
So you're saying that the problem exists gar beyond the side pods...PlatinumZealot wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 13:15Generally, yes the bigger the floor the more downforce... But it is very dependent on the geometry. RedBull had smaller floors and narrower diffusers in the V8 era and made more downforce than other teams.
Not quite, but more than that, too. The small sidepods mean there's less flow-handling surface area. But still, it's core to the car's philosophy, and therefore core to their current problem. I believe this widely well understood. What I think few people appreciate is where this leaves them: they don't have any avenues for development.Jdn1327 wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 20:06So you're saying that the problem exists gar beyond the side pods...PlatinumZealot wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 13:15Generally, yes the bigger the floor the more downforce... But it is very dependent on the geometry. RedBull had smaller floors and narrower diffusers in the V8 era and made more downforce than other teams.
This reminds me of Merc's failure to adapt quickly to the 2021 floor changes.PlatinumZealot wrote: β17 Mar 2023, 03:10Good article.
So Mercedes has overshot the floor concept to orevent bouncing when the 15mm floor edge rule change was much better understood by other teams. Sad.
And your so gullible if you think that is the case or that the sidepod doesn't have just as much to blame as there floor.vanburin wrote: β16 Mar 2023, 23:23https://the-race.com/formula-1/mercedes ... ars-flaws/
Some very telling comments from GR today. Confirms what some in this thread have noted, that the floor is the root cause of the current pace differential.
It's worse because they were able to overcome that issue and were still equal best car throughout 2021. The W14 isn't going to be able to achieve this at all. Cost cap and development restrictions will see to this.AR3-GP wrote: β17 Mar 2023, 03:46This reminds me of Merc's failure to adapt quickly to the 2021 floor changes.PlatinumZealot wrote: β17 Mar 2023, 03:10Good article.
So Mercedes has overshot the floor concept to orevent bouncing when the 15mm floor edge rule change was much better understood by other teams. Sad.