Not so sure about that tbh, Ferrari had +2-3kmh all the weekend and they have low-downforce front wing too, where they have more drag than RB in any case...
RB ran their medium df wing and high df beam wing (same as Hungary/Singapore etc) at bahrain
I get that, but to be honest, the effect of beam wings is limited (both in downforce and drag), hence their size. They are the last element in a series, coming after the boundary layer over the floor and sidepods took its toll and then the air goes through the rear suspension as well. Lots of losses and beam wings are a lot less useful than front or rear wings with respect to their size. With less energy in the air, you simply can't generate the necessary pressure difference.organic wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 18:45RB ran their medium df wing and high df beam wing (same as Hungary/Singapore etc) at bahrain
They're going to low downforce RW and probably a single element beamwing which should be a significant drag reduction..
I'm not making a comment about relative top speeds but I think RB are going to make quite a step forward in top speed at Saudi
Exactly which is why I would imagine Red Bull have more upward potential in terms of the straightline speed than Ferrari. Everybody is going to have reduced angle of attack on the front wing. Red Bull in addition have clearly gone for a lower downforce/drag rear wing and beam wing, while at the same time Ferrari have a slightly more loaded/drag rear wing than Bahrain.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 19:31I get that, but to be honest, the effect of beam wings is limited (both in downforce and drag), hence their size. They are the last element in a series, coming after the boundary layer over the floor and sidepods took its toll and then the air goes through the rear suspension as well. Lots of losses and beam wings are a lot less useful than front or rear wings with respect to their size. With less energy in the air, you simply can't generate the necessary pressure difference.organic wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 18:45RB ran their medium df wing and high df beam wing (same as Hungary/Singapore etc) at bahrain
They're going to low downforce RW and probably a single element beamwing which should be a significant drag reduction..
I'm not making a comment about relative top speeds but I think RB are going to make quite a step forward in top speed at Saudi
In any case, RB can definitely lose more drag from smaller beam wings than Ferrari can, since the respective size was different in Bahrain vs what would be needed in Jeddah
.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 19:57We are yet to see what both of those teams will use for Jeddah aero package, too many balls in the air right now. And I don't mean Hamilton's CFD eyeballs
I didn't expect Ferrari so fast in Bahrain, so I think they will be equal to RB in any case, for what it's worth...
Is it confirmed that they solved it?Wouter wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 20:05.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 19:57We are yet to see what both of those teams will use for Jeddah aero package, too many balls in the air right now. And I don't mean Hamilton's CFD eyeballs
I didn't expect Ferrari so fast in Bahrain, so I think they will be equal to RB in any case, for what it's worth...
Do you know that RBR had to turn down the PU's from both drivers during the race?
The problem is solved and now they can use full power = .
Do you know I was one of the few to point it out just after the race? We are talking about Q speeds, when all cars actually go 100% flat out
Yes I know the reality is FP1/FP2 is just testing configurations so it is hasty to conclude the aero config from thursday photos. Although one would think that last year's performances would guide them to hit the ground running in terms of the preferred wing level.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 19:57We are yet to see what both of those teams will use for Jeddah aero package, too many balls in the air right now. And I don't mean Hamilton's CFD eyeballs
I didn't expect Ferrari so fast in Bahrain, so I think they will be equal to RB in any case, for what it's worth...
.kediown wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 20:11.Wouter wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 20:05.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2023, 19:57We are yet to see what both of those teams will use for Jeddah aero package, too many balls in the air right now. And I don't mean Hamilton's CFD eyeballs
I didn't expect Ferrari so fast in Bahrain, so I think they will be equal to RB in any case, for what it's worth...
Do you know that RBR had to turn down the PU's from both drivers during the race?
The problem is solved and now they can use full power = .
Is it confirmed that they solved it?