You have to think they will. If they are worried about the gearbox in race 2, then there is no way you'd risk it for 7-8 GPs. A DNF is more costly than the eventual 10 place grid drop somewhere down the road.
The F1 community is very small and a lot us know others at other teams. I don't know anyone at Alpine but I do know individuals (engineers) at Ferrari and Mercedes; individuals who I have known for a long time. There is "gentlemen's agreement" on what is said and not said about work but I feel confident based on data and conversations about what I said at the time.wvkc9nhe wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:21Hello, Wazari-san. I am a fan of Honda's racing team.
Last year, I heard your explanation about Honda's engine leading its competitors by 10.5KW. I felt that this statement perfectly matched Red Bull's advantage on the straight. The number was very convincing. Considering that Red Bull reduced the weight of their car by 10KG based on the 2022 model this year, it was expected that they would extend their lead in Bahrain.
However, some recent news has left me confused.
First, I saw an interview with HRC's Technical Director, Mr. Yasuaki Asaki (https://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/news/car/202 ... =SocialDog), who said that Honda's engine power is on par with its competitors, but the MGU-H and high-efficiency battery can bring a 0.1-second advantage. Is Mr. Asaki trying to maintain Honda's usual low profile?
Also, Dr. Marco of the Red Bull team has recently been speaking frequently, saying that according to the team's information statistics, Ferrari now has the strongest engine in the paddock, while Honda and Mercedes are on par. What do you think about this? Thank you.
Thank you, Wazari-san. I feel enlightened.Wazari wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 23:45The F1 community is very small and a lot us know others at other teams. I don't know anyone at Alpine but I do know individuals (engineers) at Ferrari and Mercedes; individuals who I have known for a long time. There is "gentlemen's agreement" on what is said and not said about work but I feel confident based on data and conversations about what I said at the time.wvkc9nhe wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:21Hello, Wazari-san. I am a fan of Honda's racing team.
Last year, I heard your explanation about Honda's engine leading its competitors by 10.5KW. I felt that this statement perfectly matched Red Bull's advantage on the straight. The number was very convincing. Considering that Red Bull reduced the weight of their car by 10KG based on the 2022 model this year, it was expected that they would extend their lead in Bahrain.
However, some recent news has left me confused.
First, I saw an interview with HRC's Technical Director, Mr. Yasuaki Asaki (https://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/news/car/202 ... =SocialDog), who said that Honda's engine power is on par with its competitors, but the MGU-H and high-efficiency battery can bring a 0.1-second advantage. Is Mr. Asaki trying to maintain Honda's usual low profile?
Also, Dr. Marco of the Red Bull team has recently been speaking frequently, saying that according to the team's information statistics, Ferrari now has the strongest engine in the paddock, while Honda and Mercedes are on par. What do you think about this? Thank you.
Asaki-san said all the engines are fairly close in output. He is being vaguely specific or specifically vague on purpose. It's very clever and as an official spokesperson for Honda he should be. One can say the power difference between all ICE's are only about 1%. 1% of 870 HP is almost 9 HP. Is that a small amount or a significant amount?
As far as Dr Marko, I have no comment.
On lap 2-3 of race.wvkc9nhe wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:21[quote=Wazari post_id=<a href="tel:1122984">1122984</a> time=<a href="tel:1678899660">1678899660</a> user_id=32928]
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Thank you very much as always Wazari-san!
It's important to know when the engine was turned down... If it was before qualifying then the deficit of the others is frighteningly large. If it was halfway through the race then that makes sense as we knew they seemed to turn down the engine massively as the race went on
About the developments: that seems to be more information than we normally receive about upgrades ahead of their debut. Given we are hearing about a significant step from the Baku upgrade, I would expect the 2.5 tenth upgrade to come there and the subsequent to come around Silverstone. 5-6 tenths of development may be enough to tie up both championships from where the car is now.
last year it generally accepted that ferrari has a small advantage in peak power over a quali lap ,maybe they still retain that small advantage but their pu still break like in first race and their topspeed come from carrying a small rear wing.Wazari wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 23:45The F1 community is very small and a lot us know others at other teams. I don't know anyone at Alpine but I do know individuals (engineers) at Ferrari and Mercedes; individuals who I have known for a long time. There is "gentlemen's agreement" on what is said and not said about work but I feel confident based on data and conversations about what I said at the time.wvkc9nhe wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:21Hello, Wazari-san. I am a fan of Honda's racing team.
Last year, I heard your explanation about Honda's engine leading its competitors by 10.5KW. I felt that this statement perfectly matched Red Bull's advantage on the straight. The number was very convincing. Considering that Red Bull reduced the weight of their car by 10KG based on the 2022 model this year, it was expected that they would extend their lead in Bahrain.
However, some recent news has left me confused.
First, I saw an interview with HRC's Technical Director, Mr. Yasuaki Asaki (https://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/news/car/202 ... =SocialDog), who said that Honda's engine power is on par with its competitors, but the MGU-H and high-efficiency battery can bring a 0.1-second advantage. Is Mr. Asaki trying to maintain Honda's usual low profile?
Also, Dr. Marco of the Red Bull team has recently been speaking frequently, saying that according to the team's information statistics, Ferrari now has the strongest engine in the paddock, while Honda and Mercedes are on par. What do you think about this? Thank you.
Asaki-san said all the engines are fairly close in output. He is being vaguely specific or specifically vague on purpose. It's very clever and as an official spokesperson for Honda he should be. One can say the power difference between all ICE's are only about 1%. 1% of 870 HP is almost 9 HP. Is that a small amount or a significant amount?
As far as Dr Marko, I have no comment.
they should acknowledge Honda is giving them competitive advantage rather than making up nonsense about ferrari having the most powerful pu.over a race distance they are still retiring due to engine issues ,still running detuned ,and still changing pu.they are already on their second one.and merc is still underpowered unless u are williams and produce very little downforce.
9HP is a small amount when you put it into horsepower (or torque) drag equations. 9hp might be worth 1mph, if not less, at 195mph.Wazari wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 23:45The F1 community is very small and a lot us know others at other teams. I don't know anyone at Alpine but I do know individuals (engineers) at Ferrari and Mercedes; individuals who I have known for a long time. There is "gentlemen's agreement" on what is said and not said about work but I feel confident based on data and conversations about what I said at the time.wvkc9nhe wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:21Hello, Wazari-san. I am a fan of Honda's racing team.
Last year, I heard your explanation about Honda's engine leading its competitors by 10.5KW. I felt that this statement perfectly matched Red Bull's advantage on the straight. The number was very convincing. Considering that Red Bull reduced the weight of their car by 10KG based on the 2022 model this year, it was expected that they would extend their lead in Bahrain.
However, some recent news has left me confused.
First, I saw an interview with HRC's Technical Director, Mr. Yasuaki Asaki (https://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/news/car/202 ... =SocialDog), who said that Honda's engine power is on par with its competitors, but the MGU-H and high-efficiency battery can bring a 0.1-second advantage. Is Mr. Asaki trying to maintain Honda's usual low profile?
Also, Dr. Marco of the Red Bull team has recently been speaking frequently, saying that according to the team's information statistics, Ferrari now has the strongest engine in the paddock, while Honda and Mercedes are on par. What do you think about this? Thank you.
Asaki-san said all the engines are fairly close in output. He is being vaguely specific or specifically vague on purpose. It's very clever and as an official spokesperson for Honda he should be. One can say the power difference between all ICE's are only about 1%. 1% of 870 HP is almost 9 HP. Is that a small amount or a significant amount?
As far as Dr Marko, I have no comment.
<mod edit>, dont encourage him
I understand your fan point of view. No team that has teh best engine on the grid, would go around beating their chest by saying they have the best engine. It's normal to pump up the competition by saying, they have the best engine. That's what Mercedes did when they had the best engine. The deep respect RB have shared with Honda last year, by keeping their logo, despite Honda pulling out, was the best a team could offer as a praise and respect. If you don't understand that, then you are not looking deep.Bill wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:54they should acknowledge Honda is giving them competitive advantage rather than making up nonsense about ferrari having the most powerful pu.over a race distance they are still retiring due to engine issues ,still running detuned ,and still changing pu.they are already on their second one.and merc is still underpowered unless u are williams and produce very little downforce.
Saw your comment just after hitting submit of my comment!
But only in the context of aerodynamic drag.AR3-GP wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 14:53The best way to understand the usefulness of the PU is to do a calculation of the "Average" power output of the PU over the race distance. I suspect this is where Honda does the damage to the competition, based on what they said last season and the changes they made for this season.
I think the value of the Honda PU is being able to run higher ERS modes for longer than competitors. This gives an incredible advantage over a race distance as you have more energy to deploy in the race than the competition.
