2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Peter Ian Staker]

The car has ZERO front end.

tyres weren't up to temperature. Leclerc was dealing mostly with oversteer on his last lap

Snap oversteer mid corner after the car refused to rotate on entry.

[dialtone]

Bit of everything imho in FP3, optimism, caution and whatnot:



* Engine power is still way down, on finish line LEC closed at the same speed as last year FP3, despite being 10kph up at the start of the lap. The acceleration part of the curve is also not as steep as in Bahrain.
* T1 and T27 (despite the snap) were actually very good speed wise.
* T22 is a bit of a struggle for Ferrari, I don't know if it's just about taking risks but they've been slow there all weekend.
* T16 is like T22 but to a lesser extent.
* Braking performance of this car really is great.

It really all depends on T16 and T22, I think today Ferrari worked for the race trim trying to fix those 2 corners come race time since that's likely where they would start to run out of tires.

I think beating RBR would be a stretch but they easily have 0.8s+ of difference between these 2 laps from the engine alone, then they lose in T22 and T16, if they have more in the engine than that they could fight for pole, if they worked well on the tires they may even take the fight to race day.

[AR3-GP]

Bit of everything imho in FP3, optimism, caution and whatnot:

https://i.imgur.com/NznXsde.jpeg

* Engine power is still way down, on finish line LEC closed at the same speed as last year FP3, despite being 10kph up at the start of the lap. The acceleration part of the curve is also not as steep as in Bahrain.
* T1 and T27 (despite the snap) were actually very good speed wise.
* T22 is a bit of a struggle for Ferrari, I don't know if it's just about taking risks but they've been slow there all weekend.
* T16 is like T22 but to a lesser extent.
* Braking performance of this car really is great.

It really all depends on T16 and T22, I think today Ferrari worked for the race trim trying to fix those 2 corners come race time since that's likely where they would start to run out of tires.

I think beating RBR would be a stretch but they easily have 0.8s+ of difference between these 2 laps from the engine alone, then they lose in T22 and T16, if they have more in the engine than that they could fight for pole, if they worked well on the tires they may even take the fight to race day.

I hope to be proven wrong but I think there is some concern with the PU.

[86legacy]

If they are confident in the PU (which pre season they were), why need to run it more aggressively then you have to? I am not convinced yet, at most id say currently Ferrari are being cautious given last year. Whether that’s warranted, we will have to wait and see.

[codetower]

It does seem like they are protecting some underlying issues. I don't see the benefit of holding back power so early. This is the time to test your limits to have ample time to correct, not 6 races in. It seems the customer teams have fallen back as well. With the engine turned down this much, it will be difficult to hold back other teams within DRS.

If this is the strategy they are sticking with, I think at this point you at least turn up Carlos' car and see what you get. I wouldn't risk another DNF for Charles.

[dialtone]

I don't know why they are doing this but they will turn the engine up for quali and race, no chance they'll stay down there to protect whatever.

[f1316]

The thing I wonder about is whether this was always past of their run plan for ‘fixing’ the reliability of this engine (ie severely limiting the mileage in highest engine modes).

The reason I wonder whether it’s that vs protecting a specific issue they’ve identified is that they also did it in Bahrain - before any of the control electronics issues. Now, of course, it could be that they already discovered the issue in testing but we didn’t seem to see a lot of running at high engine modes in testing either, so I just wonder if limiting mileage to this extreme extent is the only way they’ve found to stretch the engine life sufficiently (without having to run in lower modes for quali/race as per 2nd half of 2022)?

[aleks_ader]

Merc got ZERO pods. Ferrari got ZERO front end XD Anyway lets see lower track conditions and higher engine map effect car balance. Maybe they become alive after all. Copium /s

[Vanja #66]

https://i.imgur.com/NznXsde.jpeg

It's like their throttle pedal signal is set at 95%, such slower acceleration. Ferrari can lose at least 2s by their Q3 laps, easy. Their FP3-Q lap difference in 2022 Bahrain was 2s, while this year it was almost 2.7s and probably could have been 2.8s with another fast lap, so they are definitely leaving a lot more margin than last year.

[LM10]

I think beating RBR would be a stretch but they easily have 0.8s+ of difference between these 2 laps from the engine alone.

Yeah... no.

Easily at least 0.8 from engine alone, sounds about right.

[f1316]

Notice that the Ferraris stayed out the entire Q1 (so fat with fuel).

[Spoutnik]

What a lap from Charles

[Cs98]

I think beating RBR would be a stretch but they easily have 0.8s+ of difference between these 2 laps from the engine alone.

Yeah... no.

Well well well, look how the turn tables.

The top speed was unchanged for the onboards I saw. Still significantly slower than RB on the straights.

And the gap to Perez is obviously not indicative of the true pace difference between the cars. Anyways, my comment was simply about the engine performance not being worth 8 tenths. I had no doubt they'd improve their overall pace in quali.

[AR3-GP]

I think beating RBR would be a stretch but they easily have 0.8s+ of difference between these 2 laps from the engine alone.

Yeah... no.

Well well well, look how the turn tables.

I knew you wouldn't concede anything.

Max had another half a second on Perez.

[dialtone]

Yeah... no.

Well well well, look how the turn tables.

We didn't see where Max was and Perez didn't do a final lap. he backed out after setting 4 purple minisectors concurrently whilst leclerc got a final "on the limit" lap in. when the times were being set like for like the gap didn't shrink by 8 tenths. more like 4-5 tenths compared to fp

Feel free to believe what you wish, but the gap at the end isn't indicative of the true performance due to aforementioned factors IMO

Meh, I have no real horse here man, RBR is ahead fair and square. My point earlier was that the difference in time in FP3 where Ferrari was basically nowhere was down to engine mode and there were 0.8s difference easily from the engine in the lap in FP3, as I even wrote "if they have more in the engine than that they could fight for pole". All of that proved to be correct, in fact Ferrari qualified... checks notes... 2nd a full 0.3s in front of ALO, who as far as I read around is going through his 2nd coming.

So yeah, Ferrari engine was tuned way down in FP and I never once said Ferrari would be on pole or could fight RBR unless they were really running with half the pistons turned off.