2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

AR3, I know you are way more astute than to take anything Marko says as truth

You are giving me WAY too much credit

[AR3-GP]

So Honda PU is still better basically. Max got to 11980 RPM in FP3, with those revs Ferrari would have had 338 kmh in Q.

Vanja, I know you are WAY more technically astute than this Why do you betray me

The RPMs a car hits at the end of the straight has to do with far more than the PU itself. Drag, gear ratios/the power band of the ICE etc. But again I know that you already know these things .


Marko already said the Ferrari PU has the most power based on their own analysis. Does it need anymore validation than that?

So the endospermic engine has more power, but Honda's overall package(PU) seems to still be better? Or am I missing something?

The combined output of the PU. Since the MGU-K can only release 120Kw peak, then yes Marko is implying that the Ferrari ICE has a little more power.

[Vinlarr89]

Sainz sounds like he was really struggling with the car, while Charles seemed to push it to its limits. Looks like the car still needs more front end to be able to challenge. Hopefully a further update to come at Aus to help with this.

Don’t think aero or power is a problem as long as reliability doesn’t continue to hamper. Heard Vasseur suggest that ICE units are going for dyno and could yet be refitted.

[Vanja #66]

Looking at how the car performed with new RW, I'm glad it wasn't raced in Bahrain. With Leclerc closer to RB in the race, maybe even keeping P2, the DNF would have hurt a lot more...

[AR3-GP]

Looking at how the car performed with new RW, I'm glad it wasn't raced in Bahrain. With Leclerc closer to RB in the race, maybe even keeping P2, the DNF would have hurt a lot more...

Interesting perspective . I'm going to disagree. DNF hurts less if the car is fast.

Anyway, I saw this posted. I think that maybe top speed isn't the issue per-say. It looks more like the Honda doesn't run out of battery on the 3rd straight, whereas everyone else does:

[AR3-GP]

Looking at how the car performed with new RW, I'm glad it wasn't raced in Bahrain. With Leclerc closer to RB in the race, maybe even keeping P2, the DNF would have hurt a lot more...

Interesting perspective . I'm going to disagree. DNF hurts less if the car is fast.

Anyway, I saw this posted. I think that maybe top speed isn't the issue per-say. It looks more like the Honda doesn't run out of battery on the 3rd straight, whereas everyone else does:

The ferrari is competitive on the first straight with DRS. So the difference would have to come from running out of battery.

[dialtone]

Post Quali interviews:

LEC:


SAI:


Vasseur:


Early year pecking order is:

1. RBR
--
2. FER
--
3. AM
4. Merc
5. Alpine
--
everyone else

If Ferrari actually develops it might close the gap to RBR, but RBR is great at development so it's going to be a hard season.

[AR3-GP]

Post Quali interviews:


Early year pecking order is:

1. RBR
--
2. FER
--
3. AM
4. Merc
5. Alpine
--
everyone else

If Ferrari actually develops it might close the gap to RBR, but RBR is great at development so it's going to be a hard season.

I tentatively disagree about your placement of AM and Ferrari.

But I will have to get back to you on it after the race tomorrow. Need to see what Alonso does. The two cars have their strengths and weaknesses and I'm not quite ready to say it's Ferrari ahead.

Fwiw, Alonso claims Ferrari will be out of reach tomorrow but an unsure if he's just downplaying expectation.

[organic]

For me it's like

1 RB
2leclerc
3amr, sainz
4merc
5alpine

Ferraris car seems to be more flexible in terms of strengths/weaknesses than the amr. Amr is a great car but seems to be inherently low efficiency which will limit it at a lot of circuits in a straight fight with a similarly paced team

[AR3-GP]

For me it's like

1 RB


2leclerc
3amr, sainz
4merc
5alpine

On Saturday, or Sunday?

With Ferrari's tire issues in Bahrain, and AMR's lack of, I want to put AMR ahead on sunday.

[organic]

For me it's like

1 RB


2leclerc
3amr, sainz
4merc
5alpine

On Saturday, or Sunday?

With Ferrari's tire issues in Bahrain, and AMR's lack of, I want to put AMR ahead on sunday.

Overall I don't see Sunday in Bahrain as representative. I'll judge them now that they have the new fw and RW. If they have Deg issues again then I'd put amr level.

[Vanja #66]

It's not even close on pure pace... Don't compare Alonso to Sainz Reliability is a different issue and it seems to stem from all the organisation and procedural bs Vigna is doing in Maranello, emulating Il Commendatore in his mind it seems.

[chrisc90]

For me it's like

1 RB
2leclerc
3amr, sainz
4merc
5alpine

Ferraris car seems to be more flexible in terms of strengths/weaknesses than the amr. Amr is a great car but seems to be inherently low efficiency which will limit it at a lot of circuits in a straight fight with a similarly paced team

No idea why i initially read that as mr sainz

I do agree with that overview however, as AR3 suggests (and what I put in the other thread) I think AMR might be marginally ahead of Ferrari this season (will wait for this race to make a further judgement)

I think Alonso and Charles are very close on par with each other over the weekend as a whole and sainz/stroll have some work to do. I’ve never been impressed with sainz on a race day to be fair.

[AR3-GP]

It's not even close on pure pace... Don't compare Alonso to Sainz Reliability is a different issue and it seems to stem from all the organisation and procedural bs Vigna is doing in Maranello, emulating Il Commendatore in his mind it seems.

Well dialtone was comparing Leclerc to Perez

[Vanja #66]

Well dialtone was comparing Leclerc to Perez

Well, still a much better comparisson than 2x WDC who performed actual magic with Ferrari and some other cars vs a guy who needed his team to mess up team mate's race to barely get one single win...