In fact Sainz was saying in the interview, the hard tyre was overheating already without chasing the car in front. This would suggest there is a lot of performance to gain when they can get tyre temperature under control. It would also collaborate with the fact that their race pace is way worse compared to the single lap qualifying pace. The tyres are simply overheating when pushed. Maybe the new suspension is not working great with these tyres for this year.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2023, 23:11The main concept "failure" for Ferrari and every other team is not running the car low enough, like RB. Ferrari was running the car very low in Bahrain, but this caused other balance issues. I suspect they overcorrected for Jeddah, now lacking downforce in corners despite bigger rear wing.
Hard tyre issue could point to an overcorrection of too much tyre heat-up, leading to insufficient heat-up like Hungary 2022. They clearly didn't expect that, so (along with very poor strategy decisions) all's not well in race operations dept.
I'm not buying into this "tyres were overheating" narrative. Leclerc was having a good and competitive race with the soft compound which didn't show any specific issue in the first stint as expected considering the nature of the track (opposite of Bahrain asphalt + long straights that allow the tyres to drop temperature). The second stint also didn't show any particular sign of excessive deg, simply the car was slow from the start.hape wrote: ↑21 Mar 2023, 19:09In fact Sainz was saying in the interview, the hard tyre was overheating already without chasing the car in front. This would suggest there is a lot of performance to gain when they can get tyre temperature under control. It would also collaborate with the fact that their race pace is way worse compared to the single lap qualifying pace. The tyres are simply overheating when pushed. Maybe the new suspension is not working great with these tyres for this year.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2023, 23:11The main concept "failure" for Ferrari and every other team is not running the car low enough, like RB. Ferrari was running the car very low in Bahrain, but this caused other balance issues. I suspect they overcorrected for Jeddah, now lacking downforce in corners despite bigger rear wing.
Hard tyre issue could point to an overcorrection of too much tyre heat-up, leading to insufficient heat-up like Hungary 2022. They clearly didn't expect that, so (along with very poor strategy decisions) all's not well in race operations dept.
The only thing strange to me is how Leclerc could still get decent pace and life from the soft tyre without overheating.
When will people stop believing anything Nugnes says?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2023, 20:20Honestly, quite sad. Would have been great to see two different designs equally fast and compete.
Wasn't he the one who said Ferrari would have a big cannon exit for this season?Cassius wrote: ↑21 Mar 2023, 19:56When will people stop believing anything Nugnes says?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2023, 20:20Honestly, quite sad. Would have been great to see two different designs equally fast and compete.
It is fine, only a lot slower than RB's. But it does go slowly well.
Or say they're preparing 2026, for freshness sake.
The F1 75 raced with different regs, and already lost out in pace to RB. This iteration with this year's regs is at an even bigger handicap.Xyz22 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2023, 22:57I don't know why there is talking about the concept when the F1 75 (based on this exact concept) was way faster. To me it seems the issue is not within the concept itself, but on the actual execution. For now, the SF 23 is just slow.
Let's see what happens in Melbourne.
In my opinion, everyone always should be looking for a superior concept. Especially in this day and age of cost cap. Deliver one concept, leave some low lever resources to minor updates and optimization, and look for the next leap.codetower wrote: ↑21 Mar 2023, 01:25Do they want to fall into the same trap as Mercedes? Spend all year trying to make a concept work? Or should they just take the hit and change now?
What doesn’t make sense though is if they ARE going to change concept, why wait till next year? How will Mercedes do it this year within the Cap?
Exactly even AMR has a jump on this concept now. The best they will get to is 3rd. Which is still possible with the existing concept.
I agree with this, lets not forget and remind ourselfs from time to time that in Ferrari 1 driver is doing the development work and this is not SainzVanja #66 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2023, 09:34It's not about the concept you see on top, it's not a W13. It's about getting it into the right working window and about Sainz being incapable of getting anywhere near the car's potential. We're yet to see an un-compromised race for Leclerc to get an idea where the car is at. Sadly, the strategy errors are still there and the pit wall is still bad, Hards for Leclerc were an obvious no-no, but they still did it.
it is worse than W13Vanja #66 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2023, 09:34It's not about the concept you see on top, it's not a W13. It's about getting it into the right working window and about Sainz being incapable of getting anywhere near the car's potential. We're yet to see an un-compromised race for Leclerc to get an idea where the car is at. Sadly, the strategy errors are still there and the pit wall is still bad, Hards for Leclerc were an obvious no-no, but they still did it.
I agree with you ... It reminds me 1991 ... After the competitive 1990 Ferrari presented a small evolution of it, but meantime there were some minor modifications to the technical rules and the improvements of other team and Ferrari became worst than a Truck (as Prost said).Venturiation wrote: ↑22 Mar 2023, 17:30it is worse than W13Vanja #66 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2023, 09:34It's not about the concept you see on top, it's not a W13. It's about getting it into the right working window and about Sainz being incapable of getting anywhere near the car's potential. We're yet to see an un-compromised race for Leclerc to get an idea where the car is at. Sadly, the strategy errors are still there and the pit wall is still bad, Hards for Leclerc were an obvious no-no, but they still did it.
ferrari said the made big gains and the car was already 1 second faster than F 75
in reality it is worse and slower than last year cars when comparing the same tracks
same story when everyone was saying W13 is 1 second faster in the simulator