To be fair, the hard tyre was especially bad in Hungary because it was super cold, no? No one could put heat into the tyres. I don't know if the same is necessarily true for Jeddah
It has been reported (from either Duchessa or one of the many italian journos), that you can see the tire temperature on the steering wheel in the Ferrari and that Ferrari did not generate enough tire temperature on the hard tire in Jeddah either.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 18:28To be fair, the hard tyre was especially bad in Hungary because it was super cold, no? No one could put heat into the tyres. I don't know if the same is necessarily true for Jeddah
Wonder why Sainz said the tyres overheat when they try to push then, both drivers said they were pushing as hard as they could but had 0 pace. Seems clear that the tyres in this case didn't overheat. My guess would be a lack of downforce due to an unexpected stiffness in the hard that raised the ride height.AR3-GP wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 18:29It has been reported (from either Duchessa or one of the many italian journos), that you can see the tire temperature on the steering wheel in the Ferrari and that Ferrari did not generate enough tire temperature on the hard tire in Jeddah either.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 18:28To be fair, the hard tyre was especially bad in Hungary because it was super cold, no? No one could put heat into the tyres. I don't know if the same is necessarily true for Jeddah
the circumstances might have been different, but the general phenomena is the same. A Ferrari that is unable to generate tire temperature is very slow.
Reads like big blame shifting... From his side, it's not his fault, it's the car. From Vigna/Elkann perspective, it's not the team, it's the prior team leadership (Binotto and co). Perfect.AR3-GP wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 13:10Strange interview with Sainz.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferraris ... pt-change/
I don't know about the blame shifting. It's what he is saying about the car that is worrying. Talk about it being peaky and how Ferrari underestimated how much rivals were impacted by the new regulations. That they basically thought everyone else would be in the same boat, but that it turned out not to be the case. Furthermore, that these behaviors are correlated with what they say in the windtunnel and as i said before, they knew it and assumed others would be the same.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:18Reads like big blame shifting... From his side, it's not his fault, it's the car. From Vigna/Elkann perspective, it's not the team, it's the prior team leadership (Binotto and co). Perfect.AR3-GP wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 13:10Strange interview with Sainz.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferraris ... pt-change/
“Our analysis from the first few races is there’s no fundamental issue with the car,” said Sainz. “It’s just a very peaky car, a very unpredictable car in the race.
“With the change of regulations, the car becoming slower, we thought that this was normal and the car would become a bit more peaky,” said Sainz. “And we thought that with the compensations that we did, the targets were OK and we were going to be fast.
“We got to the first test and we immediately saw people haven’t suffered from the change of regulations, they are much quicker than last year and this left us thinking whether we have something that we didn’t get right.
The only worrying part in the long text of this article could be this sentence: "But clearly as the cars have developed the capacity of development of the Red Bull direction is a lot higher than the capacity of development of our project."AR3-GP wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:20I don't know about the blame shifting. It's what he is saying about the car that is worrying. Talk about it being peaky and how Ferrari underestimated how much rivals were impacted by the new regulations. That they basically thought everyone else would be in the same boat, but that it turned out not to be the case. Furthermore, that these behaviors are correlated with what they say in the windtunnel and as i said before, they knew it and assumed others would be the same.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:18Reads like big blame shifting... From his side, it's not his fault, it's the car. From Vigna/Elkann perspective, it's not the team, it's the prior team leadership (Binotto and co). Perfect.AR3-GP wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 13:10Strange interview with Sainz.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferraris ... pt-change/
“Our analysis from the first few races is there’s no fundamental issue with the car,” said Sainz. “It’s just a very peaky car, a very unpredictable car in the race.“With the change of regulations, the car becoming slower, we thought that this was normal and the car would become a bit more peaky,” said Sainz. “And we thought that with the compensations that we did, the targets were OK and we were going to be fast.
“We got to the first test and we immediately saw people haven’t suffered from the change of regulations, they are much quicker than last year and this left us thinking whether we have something that we didn’t get right.
The entire article is alarming....but to me this quote in particular is probably more speculative. We can't know. I believe it's less about development potential, and more about the execution of your concept. We are still in fairly early days with these cars. No one is anywhere near their upper limit and that includes Ferrari. As I said before, it's execution that matters right now.LM10 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:36The only worrying part in the long text of this article could be this sentence: "But clearly as the cars have developed the capacity of development of the Red Bull direction is a lot higher than the capacity of development of our project."AR3-GP wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:20I don't know about the blame shifting. It's what he is saying about the car that is worrying. Talk about it being peaky and how Ferrari underestimated how much rivals were impacted by the new regulations. That they basically thought everyone else would be in the same boat, but that it turned out not to be the case. Furthermore, that these behaviors are correlated with what they say in the windtunnel and as i said before, they knew it and assumed others would be the same.
“Our analysis from the first few races is there’s no fundamental issue with the car,” said Sainz. “It’s just a very peaky car, a very unpredictable car in the race.“With the change of regulations, the car becoming slower, we thought that this was normal and the car would become a bit more peaky,” said Sainz. “And we thought that with the compensations that we did, the targets were OK and we were going to be fast.
“We got to the first test and we immediately saw people haven’t suffered from the change of regulations, they are much quicker than last year and this left us thinking whether we have something that we didn’t get right.
The problem is that Leclerc is the far more pessimistic driver of the two. It's worrying when Sainz starts being pessimistic as he is normally the more optimistic of the two. Leclerc already sounded like someone killed his dog in Bahrain, Sainz was the opposite. Now Sainz is turning.
I mean the car was almost 1s slower in Bahrain, so of course Charles wasn't very happy. The performance was even worse in Jeddah.AR3-GP wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:49The problem is that Leclerc is the far more pessimistic driver of the two. It's worrying when Sainz starts being pessimistic as he is normally the more optimistic of the two. Leclerc already sounded like someone killed his dog in Bahrain, Sainz was the opposite. Now Sainz is turning.