What if the breakaway happens?

[hulmerist]

They will be using the full 2006 regulations: Engines to last 2 races and unlimited revs. Yes please

how is that in any way fair, what is the power output of the cosworth engines compared to the current units?

surely running unlimited revs will mean the cosworth unit has an advantage...?

[mx_tifoso]

Scotracer is joking, no one can come in and play by their own rules. They have to follow the same rules as the rest of the competitors.

The Cosworth V8 has been given the same treatment as the current V8's, less revs et al.

[hulmerist]

oops

i guess this is what the fia do to people, make the stupid seem plausible

[Scotracer]

Scotracer is joking, no one can come in and play by their own rules. They have to follow the same rules as the rest of the competitors.

The Cosworth V8 has been given the same treatment as the current V8's, less revs et al.

According to Max's last proposal the Cosworth engines, and I quote, "will be allowed to run unrestricted."

[mx_tifoso]

But will they have to last four GP's?

If so, they won't last if unrestricted.

Everything is still up in the air at the moment. Max will change his mind and have them restricted, I hope.

[Scotracer]

They will be using 2006 regulations: Engines unrestricted and have to last 2 races; not including practice.

And remember the Cosworths haven't been touched since 2006 whereas all the other engines have had some, even if they are modest, updates which probably count for 30BHP. So running the Cosworth V8s at 20,000rpm will counteract that...and then some. We'll probably see them restricted to 19,000rpm either before the season or by mid season.

[Conceptual]

Scotracer is joking, no one can come in and play by their own rules. They have to follow the same rules as the rest of the competitors.

The Cosworth V8 has been given the same treatment as the current V8's, less revs et al.

How can you say that when the Cosworth engines are linked exclusively with the new "Cap Regs" teams? Max keeps talking about the "published 2010 regulations", why does everyone else choose to forget them?

[mx_tifoso]

To be honest I've somewhat lost track of what is officially going to be introduced next year and whats not. For some reason I was under the impression that Mosley had gone back on the 'two tier' system. And that all teams would be under a higher-than-£40M budget cap, with the same regulations for all.

But I guess not?

And with all the bickering in this thread I stopped paying attention a while back...

EDIT: I just found the budget cap regs for 2010.
Analysis: 2010 Formula One regulations - F1technical

[ISLAMATRON]

Well Max has put his cards on the table...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76269

100 mil Euro cap in 2010 and down to 45mil Euro in 2011
same moveable wing rules in 2010 as in 2009
No 4WD in 2010
Tire warmers remain
Same 8 engine & gearbox rules for next year
Same testing limitations

Outside company to oversee financial auditing, with any breaches being penalized with a fine rather than an on-track penalty
Appendix 5 to be removed


It is terrible that the teams want to remove any technically innovative things that has been proposed for 2010(in bold)AND YET FOTA bullshits about the DNA of F1 when really they want it to remain stagnant. it is now clear that it is the teams that stand in the way of technical innovation and not the FIA... and now they want to get rid of KERS, the biggest technical innovation in F1 since active suspension.

[Conceptual]

I hope that all three new teams pull out in protest.

All of their investment so far has been --- canned, and now the big teams can just outspend them.

If I were the 3 new teams, I would take this compromise to court, since they could say that their invitation and acceptance was under the 2010 published regulations.

Wouldn't that be a binding contract?

[modbaraban]

I hope that all three new teams pull out in protest.

+1 That would be a good laugh =D>

Lola announced the withdrawal of their entry having tested their F1 car model in the wintunnel for a week. Formula1 is called the big circus for a reason... or two.

[Michiba]

Well Max has put his cards on the table...
Outside company to oversee financial auditing, with any breaches being penalized with a fine rather than an on-track penalty
Appendix 5 to be removed

surely this would leave the door open for strategically breaking the rules wouldn't it? Where a well funded team feels that the penalty cost is worth the breaking of the rules.

Professional fouls in basketball comes to mind.

[woohoo]

Well Max has put his cards on the table...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76269

100 mil Euro cap in 2010 and down to 45mil Euro in 2011
same moveable wing rules in 2010 as in 2009
No 4WD in 2010
Tire warmers remain
Same 8 engine & gearbox rules for next year
Same testing limitations

Outside company to oversee financial auditing, with any breaches being penalized with a fine rather than an on-track penalty
Appendix 5 to be removed


It is terrible that the teams want to remove any technically innovative things that has been proposed for 2010(in bold)AND YET FOTA bullshits about the DNA of F1 when really they want it to remain stagnant. it is now clear that it is the teams that stand in the way of technical innovation and not the FIA... and now they want to get rid of KERS, the biggest technical innovation in F1 since active suspension.

Aha. And you think that four wheel drive, front & rear movable wheels, unrestricted engine etc.etc. was plausible to actually to actually be implemented ?

Max's idea was so "innovative" it was unrealistic. Its was just a big teaser to get the teams to sign, and after they signed, the rules would be cut back anyway.

[timbo]

It is terrible that the teams want to remove any technically innovative things that has been proposed for 2010(in bold)AND YET FOTA bullshits about the DNA of F1 when really they want it to remain stagnant.

4WD innovative in what? There's no innovation in 4WD. There's f**king Hyundai 4WD.
Yet, implementation of 4WD would cost them tremendous money because in this day of age it is not like "hey we're building a 4WD!" it is research, testing, research, testing, research, testing = money, money, money! Very logical in this day and age.

it is now clear that it is the teams that stand in the way of technical innovation and not the FIA... and now they want to get rid of KERS, the biggest technical innovation in F1 since active suspension.

Once again - system cost the tremendous money and produced a little yield. Even BMW which were the main KERS enthusiasts dumped it.
And the "FIA for technical innovation" thing is laughable. Is it now FIA which implements innovation? Old fart can propose "cryophotonic Bose-Einstein condensate" fuel for 2010 and happily proclaim himself the biggest innovator in history of F1. But so what?

[xpensive]

KERS is the biggest "green" hoax so far, a gimmick which can only be appreciated by engineering-wannabees.

One liter of gasoline holds 34 000 kJ, of which an F1 car consumes four per lap, a total of 136 000 kJ.
KERS recycles 400, think about it.