2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Ferrari need experience driver not two young gun. Sainz can avoided the second restart to get some point for Ferrari. First 3 are more care full on each restart. Need more maturity in racing for Sainz. He will be gone by this year.

We have won so much with Alonso and Kimi !

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Sainz did very little wrong. Showed great pace, made some tricky moves especially on Gasly, and got slightly unfortunate at the final restart with, the contact, the reversal to the order for the red flag, and the steward decision.

[F1NAC]

Leclerc is now tied on points with Hulkenberg… fantastic

[CaribouBread]

Has anyone calculated race pace for the top runners?

[mzso]

This sucks. LEC is not ready for WDC. Why so many mistakes?

Yeah, because he doesn't have a car to compete for it.
There aren't "so many" mistakes. That's one this year and two-ish last year, all when pushing.

[mzso]

This sucks. LEC is not ready for WDC. Why so many mistakes?

Thats disappointment/desperation mixed with hunger to win.
Give him a good car and he will be as smooth as it can get - a grandslam last yr at this very GP. give him a struggling car and he will try to outperform it push it too much resulting in such incidents.

Yes, but he can’t make mistakes and be desperate when struggling. This is Ferrari, they will make strategy mistakes, reliability mistakes. If you add driver mistakes to the mix, they will never win.

He's making (still scarce) mistakes because they're already nowhere near winning...

[mzso]

Would like to see if they revert Sainz penalty as they have done with Alonso one last gp

No chance. He did knock out Alonso with no good excuse. And this is the smallest penalty they have.

The penalty for Sainz was so harsh. Yes apply it if Alonso finished out of the points but he ended up still on the podium

Penalties aren't, and shouldn't be based on how well the driver succeeded in screwing the other...

[chrisc90]

Would like to see if they revert Sainz penalty as they have done with Alonso one last gp

No chance. He did knock out Alonso with no good excuse. And this is the smallest penalty they have.

I dont know mind. Im sure there are countless examples of Turn 1 contact where it went un-punished by the stewards. Each will have its own merits of course but that penalty was brutally harsh on the best of days in my opinion. It also sets a precedent going forward that turn 1 lap 1 incidents are no longer racing incidents with a lot of cars nearby,

[mzso]

I don't see any scenario where Leclerc will stay with Ferrari unless they produce a rocket ship for 2024, which doesn't seem very likely.

He will, if if there are no openings. RB and Aston are full, and besides only Red Bull would be a definite step forward. Mercedes keeps bumbling with car design and no openings, Aston jumped to around second, but it's questionable whether they can get closer or maintain their position, and it's a one driver team and they have Alonso for multiple years.
Otherwise he best hope RB is willing to put a driver of his caliber beside Verstappen. And best hope he has an exit clause that will apply for next year.

[mzso]

Would like to see if they revert Sainz penalty as they have done with Alonso one last gp

No chance. He did knock out Alonso with no good excuse. And this is the smallest penalty they have.

I dont know mind. Im sure there are countless examples of Turn 1 contact where it went un-punished by the stewards. Each will have its own merits of course but that penalty was brutally harsh on the best of days in my opinion. It also sets a precedent going forward that turn 1 lap 1 incidents are no longer racing incidents with a lot of cars nearby,

Not sure they treat it as a first lap incident seeing that it was the penultimate lap.

[chrisc90]

No chance. He did knock out Alonso with no good excuse. And this is the smallest penalty they have.

I dont know mind. Im sure there are countless examples of Turn 1 contact where it went un-punished by the stewards. Each will have its own merits of course but that penalty was brutally harsh on the best of days in my opinion. It also sets a precedent going forward that turn 1 lap 1 incidents are no longer racing incidents with a lot of cars nearby,

Not sure they treat it as a first lap incident seeing that it was the penultimate lap.

It was still from a standing start though so the concept of 20 odd cars (or however many) barrelling down to turn 1 on semi warm tyres remains the same.

[Alonsismo]

the penalty is extremely unfair

[falonso81]

Are they punishing the contact or the outcome? Also, since they reverted the grid as if the restart did not happen, did the incident still happen? If anyone needs to be penalised for today, that is race control.

[Vinlarr89]

That’s the way I see it too… if you punish the driver then the positions of the restart should have stood and he should have started from third. It’s almost like saying the incident didn’t happen, but we’re going to punish you for it happening anyway.

[Peter Ian Staker]

Are they punishing the contact or the outcome?

Supposedly stewards are instructed not to take account outcome when it comes to decisions but I have a hard time believing this is really the case in practice a lot of the time.
The revolving stewarding panel of unaccountable F1rejects database entries is just to way to inconsistent for us to be able discern any actual logic in their decisions.