2023 Alpine F1 Team

[diffuser]

I am interested to know Mr. Otmar's viewpoint on this...just a racing incident or he is going to take it more seriously to avoid future clashes.

With 2 French drivers (pin-ups even) I wonder how much actual knuckle wrapping power he has in the team?
No doubt he can 'explain the error of their ways' to them, but is he able to wave a stick to get their attention?

Can always show them the bill of the repairs and how it reduces upgrades they'll have.

[Tooooom]

Can always show them the bill of the repairs and how it reduces upgrades they'll have.

I've been wondering about that, are those cars complete write-offs after such a crash?

[continuum16]

Can always show them the bill of the repairs and how it reduces upgrades they'll have.

I've been wondering about that, are those cars complete write-offs after such a crash?

Nothing confirmed by the team but on the Sky F1 podcast the other day Ted said that quite a few people in the paddock thought they could both be, or at least one. He made a good point that without the one month gap it may have been extremely difficult for the team to have two chassis ready in time for the next race of that were the case, given it’s so early in the season.

[AR3-GP]

Can always show them the bill of the repairs and how it reduces upgrades they'll have.

I've been wondering about that, are those cars complete write-offs after such a crash?

Nothing confirmed by the team but on the Sky F1 podcast the other day Ted said that quite a few people in the paddock thought they could both be, or at least one. He made a good point that without the one month gap it may have been extremely difficult for the team to have two chassis ready in time for the next race of that were the case, given it’s so early in the season.

It's also quite costly for them because normally you try and introduce upgrades to coincide with launch spec parts reaching the end of their service life. Now Alpine are off schedule. They will have to manufacture new "pre-upgrade" parts and "pre-upgrade" spares just to have cars for Baku. It's a budget inefficiency. This kind of incident is very damaging to their season.

[diffuser]

Can always show them the bill of the repairs and how it reduces upgrades they'll have.

I've been wondering about that, are those cars complete write-offs after such a crash?

I don't think they are complete write offs. But it isn't going to be cheap.

[Tooooom]

Expensive enough to ruin their budget allocation for breakage... Let's hope they do better soon.

[NL_Fer]

Team will have at least one tub ready for if a driver bins it during FP or Q right? So they need to make one more at least.

Think they headache starts if they crash hard during FP/Q next race.

[diffuser]

Team will have at least one tub ready for if a driver bins it during FP or Q right? So they need to make one more at least.

Think they headache starts if they crash hard during FP/Q next race.

I doudt the tubs are gone. PU is probably fine too. After that it's all ify and might vary between the 2 cars. Good thing the next race is a month a way.

They've probably budgeted for one big smash-up. This 2 though.

[Big Tea]

Even if much of it can be repaired it is probably going to add weight to the 'bodywork' in places it was not designed to be. It could also have a knock on if mechanical 'listed parts' need to be changed. Even if it does not mean a penalty next race, it would bring it one race closer than it needed to be

[AR3-GP]

Even if much of it can be repaired it is probably going to add weight to the 'bodywork' in places it was not designed to be. It could also have a knock on if mechanical 'listed parts' need to be changed. Even if it does not mean a penalty next race, it would bring it one race closer than it needed to be

That's the judgement they have to make. How much can be "repaired" in order to save new production cost, and how much requires new manufacturing. The former has the consequences you mention regarding weight. The latter has a cost consequence.

[peewon]

I am interested to know Mr. Otmar's viewpoint on this...just a racing incident or he is going to take it more seriously to avoid future clashes.

With 2 French drivers (pin-ups even) I wonder how much actual knuckle wrapping power he has in the team?
No doubt he can 'explain the error of their ways' to them, but is he able to wave a stick to get their attention?

Otmar views it a racing incident with shared responsibility. Which I think is fair. Otmar though, is simply the front man for the operation but if any knuckle wrapping has to be done, it can only come from Rossi, who is the real power center of this team. When Rossi joined he was quite polarizing figure internally. Some less than amicable departures followed. Paddock rumors said that Ocon was amongst his biggest supporters. Some even see his contract as a confirmation of those rumors. How much of that was due to his nationality, this season will tell, especially if him and Gasly butt heads.

[organic]

I am interested to know Mr. Otmar's viewpoint on this...just a racing incident or he is going to take it more seriously to avoid future clashes.

With 2 French drivers (pin-ups even) I wonder how much actual knuckle wrapping power he has in the team?
No doubt he can 'explain the error of their ways' to them, but is he able to wave a stick to get their attention?

Otmar views it a racing incident with shared responsibility. Which I think is fair. Otmar though, is simply the front man for the operation but if any knuckle wrapping has to be done, it can only come from Rossi, who is the real power center of this team. When Rossi joined he was quite polarizing figure internally. Some less than amicable departures followed. Paddock rumors said that Ocon was amongst his biggest supporters. Some even see his contract as a confirmation of those rumors. How much of that was due to his nationality, this season will tell, especially if him and Gasly butt heads.

That's what he's said publicly to prevent Gasly from receiving penalty points

[peewon]

With 2 French drivers (pin-ups even) I wonder how much actual knuckle wrapping power he has in the team?
No doubt he can 'explain the error of their ways' to them, but is he able to wave a stick to get their attention?

Otmar views it a racing incident with shared responsibility. Which I think is fair. Otmar though, is simply the front man for the operation but if any knuckle wrapping has to be done, it can only come from Rossi, who is the real power center of this team. When Rossi joined he was quite polarizing figure internally. Some less than amicable departures followed. Paddock rumors said that Ocon was amongst his biggest supporters. Some even see his contract as a confirmation of those rumors. How much of that was due to his nationality, this season will tell, especially if him and Gasly butt heads.

That's what he's said publicly to prevent Gasly from receiving penalty points

Thats an opinion shared by a lot of pundits and experts as well. Gasly moved over without checking his mirrors and Ocon was the one who was looking straight at it and had the opportunity to brake and avoid the collision when it was inevitable.

[JordanMugen]

I am interested to know Mr. Otmar's viewpoint on this...just a racing incident or he is going to take it more seriously to avoid future clashes.

Both of them apologized for the accident. That shows me that both of them felt guilty. That's why we rate it as a normal racing accident. Pierre has two cars in front of him, had grass on the rear tires and swerved to the right without knowing that Esteban was already there.

- Szafnauer
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... um-sommer/

Szafnauer is unfazed and does not apportion blame to his superstars.

They've probably budgeted for one big smash-up. This 2 though.

From a budget cap perspective, I think we are going to be okay. I don’t think there’s any concerns. It will be costly. From a money perspective, probably would have been a lot less costly had it not happened.

- Szafnauer
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/04/05/al ... -gp-crash/

[diffuser]

I am interested to know Mr. Otmar's viewpoint on this...just a racing incident or he is going to take it more seriously to avoid future clashes.

Both of them apologized for the accident. That shows me that both of them felt guilty. That's why we rate it as a normal racing accident. Pierre has two cars in front of him, had grass on the rear tires and swerved to the right without knowing that Esteban was already there.

- Szafnauer
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... um-sommer/

Szafnauer is unfazed and does not apportion blame to his superstars.

They've probably budgeted for one big smash-up. This 2 though.

From a budget cap perspective, I think we are going to be okay. I don’t think there’s any concerns. It will be costly. From a money perspective, probably would have been a lot less costly had it not happened.

- Szafnauer
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/04/05/al ... -gp-crash/

This "From a money perspective, probably would have been a lot less costly had it not happened." is funny.