2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[deadhead]

https://racingnews365.com/mekies-set-to ... t=25042023

Mekies is leaving it seems. Not sure how to feel

Vasseur referred to Mekies as a "pillar" of ferrari's future here

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/vasse ... /10443797/

So it seems perhaps things aren't as solid as they seemed and the rumours of unsettlement as a result of binotto's departure are true

Excellent. Not surprising to see him going to a team like Alpha Tauri (with all due respect).

Probably easier for him since they are based in the same country, but yeah, I guess the big teams don't need someone like him

[F1NAC]

https://racingnews365.com/mekies-set-to ... t=25042023

Mekies is leaving it seems. Not sure how to feel

Vasseur referred to Mekies as a "pillar" of ferrari's future here

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/vasse ... /10443797/

So it seems perhaps things aren't as solid as they seemed and the rumours of unsettlement as a result of binotto's departure are true

Excellent. Not surprising to see him going to a team like Alpha Tauri (with all due respect).

Could it be that he expected to become a TP which never materialised so he decided to leave?

[Vanja #66]

The problem with this theory is Monza 2022 where RB just ran a bigger wing than everyone else and still had higher top speeds when the DRS was open in qualifying, and then had a massive tire advantage in the race.

Both account are incorrect actually. While RB18 was only 1kmh down on Ferrari on top speed, two other straights show the two teams chose very different deployment strategies over the lap. So RB was actually giving more juice on the main straight than Ferrari, bringing top speeds closer. Both cars were 3-4kmh slower than DEV Williams in speed trap.



As for the tires in the race, Leclerc made the first stop under VSC which turned to green flag while he was still in the pits, losing 20s there. Team gambled on saving time under VSC but it backfired and no one can still explain why VSC call was made in any case by Race Direction. Leclerc then had to make another stop since his first stint was shorter than expected, unlike Max, so the 20s lost under VSC pit remained. Finally, Ferrari made an error by pitting Leclerc under final SC even if he had fresher tires than Max. If race ended under SC like it did, he would have won. If there was a lap or two left to race, at worst he would have finished 2nd like he was in any case.

[Xyz22]

https://racingnews365.com/mekies-set-to ... t=25042023

Mekies is leaving it seems. Not sure how to feel

Vasseur referred to Mekies as a "pillar" of ferrari's future here

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/vasse ... /10443797/

So it seems perhaps things aren't as solid as they seemed and the rumours of unsettlement as a result of binotto's departure are true

Excellent. Not surprising to see him going to a team like Alpha Tauri (with all due respect).

Could it be that he expected to become a TP which never materialised so he decided to leave?

How can you expect to get a promotion when the area you are responsible for is absolutely awful and argualy the worst in Formula 1?


@Vanja you are correct that the strategy backfired for Ferrari, but RB was quicker in Monza... One of the best weekends in terms of pace after the TD039 though.

[dfegan358]

Mekies will be no big miss

[Schippke]

Guys we are back. 1 sec faster than F1-75 in sim
https://scuderiafans.com/f1-ferrari-ove ... -to-f1-75/

Heard that one before...

[AR3-GP]

The problem with this theory is Monza 2022 where RB just ran a bigger wing than everyone else and still had higher top speeds when the DRS was open in qualifying, and then had a massive tire advantage in the race.

Both account are incorrect actually. While RB18 was only 1kmh down on Ferrari on top speed, two other straights show the two teams chose very different deployment strategies over the lap. So RB was actually giving more juice on the main straight than Ferrari, bringing top speeds closer. Both cars were 3-4kmh slower than DEV Williams in speed trap.

https://i.ibb.co/LgHgKDc/monza-2022-q.jpg

The two straights where RB matched were the DRS straights. The two straights where RB are slower by some margin are the non-DRS straights.

It’s not different deployment strategies. It’s because RB had a bigger rear wing and were slower without DRS as one would expect but made up all the deficit when DRS was open.

As for the tire wear, yes RB had better tire wear but we can agree to disagree.

[Vanja #66]

Indeed, my bad on that one. Still very expected to have such big top speed differences with bigger RW overall. RW that Ferrari used had a flap that didn't open to the full 85mm gap, that's how small it was. Other teams did that as well, it's nothing new. Not to mention the flap angle in the first place.

[Juzh]

As for the tires in the race, Leclerc made the first stop under VSC which turned to green flag while he was still in the pits, losing 20s there. Team gambled on saving time under VSC but it backfired and no one can still explain why VSC call was made in any case by Race Direction. Leclerc then had to make another stop since his first stint was shorter than expected, unlike Max, so the 20s lost under VSC pit remained. Finally, Ferrari made an error by pitting Leclerc under final SC even if he had fresher tires than Max. If race ended under SC like it did, he would have won. If there was a lap or two left to race, at worst he would have finished 2nd like he was in any case.

You remember the race wrong. Yes, VSC ended while Lec was in pits, but he still gained a net 10s over a normal pitstop. 10s of free laptime wasn't enough to overhaul verstappen that race.

Verstappen was ahead of Lec before final SC. If ferarri don't stop Lec, then neither does RB. In any case Verstappen had enough margin to pit and come out ahead of Lec under SC conditions.

[AR3-GP]

Indeed, my bad on that one. Still very expected to have such big top speed differences with bigger RW overall. RW that Ferrari used had a flap that didn't open to the full 85mm gap, that's how small it was. Other teams did that as well, it's nothing new. Not to mention the flap angle in the first place.

My overall point and why I brought it up is because the article I originally quoted somewhere above in the thread suggested that in Baku, Ferrari may be closer because everyone has skinny wings in Baku meaning that DRS is weaker.

That's not the case. Due to their above average efficiency, RB had a get out of jail free card to run a heavier than normal rear wing on slippery tracks for better cornering performance, while only having minor trade offs because they were overperforming when the DRS was open.

For comparison, when Ferrari had a bigger rear wing, their DRS wasn't as effective as RB's and it still isn't. They weren't reaching the top speeds that RB were when they open DRS.

[Vanja #66]

For comparison, when Ferrari had a bigger rear wing, their DRS wasn't as effective as RB's and it still isn't. They weren't reaching the top speeds that RB were when they open DRS.

Do check out the Spanish GP last year, top speed for both cars increased equally with DRS, remaining +3kmh for RB. That and Monaco were the only races when both RWs were almost completely comparable. It's well established RB sheds more drag with DRS open with non-high-downforce wing and it's due to its bigger flap angle when closed.

Agreed about the article, that point about skinny wings is speculation and RB didn't have a very skinny wing last year.

[AR3-GP]

For comparison, when Ferrari had a bigger rear wing, their DRS wasn't as effective as RB's and it still isn't. They weren't reaching the top speeds that RB were when they open DRS.

Do check out the Spanish GP last year, top speed for both cars increased equally with DRS, remaining +3kmh for RB. That and Monaco were the only races when both RWs were almost completely comparable. It's well established RB sheds more drag with DRS open with non-high-downforce wing and it's due to its bigger flap angle when closed.

Agreed about the article, that point about skinny wings is speculation and RB didn't have a very skinny wing last year.

We should discuss averages, not specific races. On average, the RB is just getting more out of their DRS system, and as a result they can afford a more loaded rear wing in all situations, while not paying the same price as Ferrari because their DRS effect is so powerful.

Fred says it here:

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/vasse ... 0he%20said.

But when asked how surprised he was by Red Bull's top speed gap, Vasseur said the Milton Keynes team's advantage was actually bigger in 2022 as Ferrari has managed to claw back a part of the deficit.

"I think that the difference was probably bigger last year," he said. "I think we compensated part of the gap. It was probably even more obvious last year. But we have still to improve on this area.

"That problem [is] that we were expecting to compensate a bit more, but the gap was bigger last year. But now for sure we have room for improvement on this area. We are on it."

They are not equal. Spain does not represent the average performance.

[JPBD1990]

Charles rumoured to be in talks with Mercedes, rumoured to not be renewing with Ferrari after 2024. No one reputable, I believe the article cited no sources. Being asked about it in the paddock today, his responses sounded less emphatically committed to Ferrari as they once did…

[Xyz22]

Charles rumoured to be in talks with Mercedes, rumoured to not be renewing with Ferrari after 2024. No one reputable, I believe the article cited no sources. Being asked about it in the paddock today, his responses sounded less emphatically committed to Ferrari as they once did…

I mean, it shouldn't be a surprise. The last call will be early next year. If the car is not competitive, Leclerc won't renew his contract.

This season is over already (in terms of WDC fighting) and that is his goal so...

[Macklaren]

yeah that's not exactly emphatic support for Ferrari. "no, not yet"? YIKES