2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[LM10]

I don’t think the Ferrari is actually that bad. It’s just that the RB is so bloody good. No one comes close!

Ferrari did a terrible job.

Says the chief engineer Xyz22.

[Vinlarr89]

I don’t think the Ferrari is actually that bad. It’s just that the RB is so bloody good. No one comes close!

Ferrari did a terrible job.

Says the chief engineer Xyz22.

What does surprise me is that Ferrari had the 2nd slowest top speed in the sprint yesterday. Ferrari looks good through the slow and medium pace corners in leclercs hands

[JPBD1990]

Well the paint just finished drying.

Clear Ferrari are very far behind redbull on race pace. I don’t understand how they can be so fast in quali and yet so far away on race pace, but that’s where we are. Hopefully the upcoming updates can assist to that end.

[Sevach]

Sainz is new Massa (from 2010 onwards). No pace..

I think the gap between Charles and Carlos was bigger than the gap between Charles and Perez...

[F1NAC]

Well the paint just finished drying.

Clear Ferrari are very far behind redbull on race pace. I don’t understand how they can be so fast in quali and yet so far away on race pace, but that’s where we are. Hopefully the upcoming updates can assist to that end.

It’s actually very simple.

Tyre deg. And also at the beginning of the race, charles understeered like a boat while Perez and Verstappen were passing him.

[LM10]

Sainz is new Massa (from 2010 onwards). No pace..

I think the gap between Charles and Carlos was bigger than the gap between Charles and Perez...

Every time Charles is kind of happy with the car’s feeling, Sainz is nowhere. Indicates a totally different car behavior preference. The difference is that if Sainz is happy and Charles is not, the latter is still on his level at the minimum.

[Sevach]

Sainz is new Massa (from 2010 onwards). No pace..

I think the gap between Charles and Carlos was bigger than the gap between Charles and Perez...

Every time Charles is kind of happy with the car’s feeling, Sainz is nowhere. Indicates a totally different car behavior preference. The difference is that if Sainz is happy and Charles is not, the latter is still on his level at the minimum.

True, i would also add Ferrari is usually closer to the front when Charles is happy, at least for the last year and a half.

[Vanja #66]

RB upgrades brought them 3-5 tenths a lap from what I was told, so at worst 12s over the 40 laps after SC and 20s at best. 20s is what Leclerc gap was today (without any actual updates!), so very encouraging pace even with Vigna and Elkann causing all sorts of problems for the team. If upgrades work well, good chances of the long-awaited win in Monaco with this pace in Q - at the very least.

Good, disciplined race from Charles today, they used the Sprint race well to see where they are and they understood they need a stable drive-to-delta pace to extend the stints. Even with this managing and no upgrades, second best car on the grid and a good base to build on, especially since Max had to stop before Charles and Sainz.

Sainz... No words, it was clear he wasn't feeling it this weekend but this gap is embarrassing...

[Xyz22]

I don’t think the Ferrari is actually that bad. It’s just that the RB is so bloody good. No one comes close!

Ferrari did a terrible job.

Says the chief engineer Xyz22.

So Ferrari has done a good job on the SF 23? For now, a slower car in the race compared to the Aston Martin? Because Leclerc (as a driver) was clearly quicker than Alonso (and anyone else) in this track.

Anyway at least we saw an improvement in this race. No drama strategy wise and bit more speed compared to the first 3 races.

[Alonsismo]

Sainz is new Massa (from 2010 onwards). No pace..

I think the gap between Charles and Carlos was bigger than the gap between Charles and Perez...

Every time Charles is kind of happy with the car’s feeling, Sainz is nowhere. Indicates a totally different car behavior preference. The difference is that if Sainz is happy and Charles is not, the latter is still on his level at the minimum.

this is it.
they are totaly different drivers in the way of their preferences and feeling of the car

the extreme example is Ricciardo with the mclaren (understeer car)

[LM10]

Ferrari did a terrible job.

Says the chief engineer Xyz22.

So Ferrari has done a good job on the SF 23? For now, a slower car in the race compared to the Aston Martin? Because Leclerc (as a driver) was clearly quicker than Alonso (and anyone else) in this track.

Anyway at least we saw an improvement in this race. No drama strategy wise and bit more speed compared to the first 3 races.

The SF-23 got pole position comfortably and you're saying that Ferrari did a terrible job and that the chassis is not to be saved.

The problem Ferrari is having is that the car is peaky. The pure pace is there - obviously - but what they need to focus on now is the performance in the race. For some reason the car loses pace as soon as it's heavy. It seems to be more understeery and less balanced.

[AR3-GP]

Says the chief engineer Xyz22.

So Ferrari has done a good job on the SF 23? For now, a slower car in the race compared to the Aston Martin? Because Leclerc (as a driver) was clearly quicker than Alonso (and anyone else) in this track.

Anyway at least we saw an improvement in this race. No drama strategy wise and bit more speed compared to the first 3 races.

The SF-23 got pole position comfortably and you're saying that Ferrari did a terrible job and that the chassis is not to be saved.

The problem Ferrari is having is that the car is peaky. The pure pace is there - obviously - but what they need to focus on now is the performance in the race. For some reason the car loses pace as soon as it's heavy. It seems to be more understeery and less balanced.

It's a hard read. Sainz was not very quick at all but Leclerc even managed to take pole here in the SF21 so there's some element of Leclerc having an understanding of this circuit that other drivers are not capable of.

In many ways the performance isn't too disimilar to Bahrain. Leclerc could have had pole there, but they didn't do their second run in Q3. Then Leclerc was way in front of his teammate, while Sainz was defending from Hamilton, again.

It just makes Jeddah the outlier more than anything. Charles had the grid penalty in Australia after qualifying on the front row.

[LM10]

So Ferrari has done a good job on the SF 23? For now, a slower car in the race compared to the Aston Martin? Because Leclerc (as a driver) was clearly quicker than Alonso (and anyone else) in this track.

Anyway at least we saw an improvement in this race. No drama strategy wise and bit more speed compared to the first 3 races.

The SF-23 got pole position comfortably and you're saying that Ferrari did a terrible job and that the chassis is not to be saved.

The problem Ferrari is having is that the car is peaky. The pure pace is there - obviously - but what they need to focus on now is the performance in the race. For some reason the car loses pace as soon as it's heavy. It seems to be more understeery and less balanced.

It's a hard read. Sainz was not very quick at all but Leclerc even managed to take pole here in the SF21 so there's some element of Leclerc having an understanding of this circuit that other drivers are not capable of.

In many ways the performance isn't too disimilar to Bahrain. Leclerc could have had pole there, but they didn't do their second run in Q3. Then Leclerc was way in front of his teammate, while Sainz was defending from Hamilton, again.

It just makes Jeddah the outlier more than anything. Charles had the grid penalty in Australia after qualifying on the front row.

The SF21 lacked in many areas, but it had exceptionally good mechanical grip which plays a big role in Baku. That year Charles also took pole in Monaco by over 2 tenths.

In this year's qualifying the fastest car other than a Ferrari and RedBull was Hamilton's Mercedes in fifth and he was 1 second behind. That's a serious gap which was not only up to Charles' masterclass. I know Sainz was 8 tenths back in fourth, but while he simply never got it right this weekend, there is no reason to believe Hamilton did not exploit his car's potential.

[AR3-GP]

The SF-23 got pole position comfortably and you're saying that Ferrari did a terrible job and that the chassis is not to be saved.

The problem Ferrari is having is that the car is peaky. The pure pace is there - obviously - but what they need to focus on now is the performance in the race. For some reason the car loses pace as soon as it's heavy. It seems to be more understeery and less balanced.

It's a hard read. Sainz was not very quick at all but Leclerc even managed to take pole here in the SF21 so there's some element of Leclerc having an understanding of this circuit that other drivers are not capable of.

In many ways the performance isn't too disimilar to Bahrain. Leclerc could have had pole there, but they didn't do their second run in Q3. Then Leclerc was way in front of his teammate, while Sainz was defending from Hamilton, again.

It just makes Jeddah the outlier more than anything. Charles had the grid penalty in Australia after qualifying on the front row.

The SF21 lacked in many areas, but it had exceptionally good mechanical grip which plays a big role in Baku. That year Charles also took pole in Monaco by over 2 tenths.

In this year's qualifying the fastest car other than a Ferrari and RedBull was Hamilton's Mercedes in fifth and he was 1 second behind. That's a serious gap which was not only up to Charles' masterclass. I know Sainz was 8 tenths back in fourth, but while he simply never got it right this weekend, there is no reason to believe Hamilton did not exploit his car's potential.

I don't doubt Hamilton. What I'm saying is that Leclerc drove the same race in Bahrain already before his DNF. He had a sniff of pole if he did a second run, was miles ahead of Sainz, was only being matched by Alonso, and Sainz only marginally beat Hamilton that day. The same thing happened here in Baku.

As some pointed out, Ferrari didn't actually bring upgrades (and neither did AMR or Mercedes). So these results are consistent in that Ferrari are just consolidating and actually finishing races with the car they originally had in Bahrain. Jeddah is the only outlier.

We forget that Charles had the grid penalty in Australia, and then DNF'd on the first lap. So Charles likely would have been at this level in Australia too.

[dialtone]

From lap 28 on seems like SAI was slower than LEC more than LEC was slower than VER.