2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[avantman]

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So the ridge height increases when there is heavy fuel load. Don't think only rear and front wing upgrades will solve this. Seems like definitely need the suspension upgrade ASAP.

How does removing weight lower the ride height?

This is about dynamic ride height, not about static ride height obviously. Static one will either decrease slightly with fuel load, or stay almost the same, without doubt.

[KimiRai]

Alonso was past Sainz immediately after the SC, 1s behind Charles and had no one in between them, he had nearly 40 laps to do something.

is not the same situation.
if alonso started p4, he could have chased leclerc on the restart instead of sainz.

How did he lose 4sec while just behind LEC if he was so much faster?

Alonso does this all the time. He creates a gap to create a space of clean air to degrade the tyres less, then attacks later. Leclerc knew this so he also conserved his tyres. What Alonsismo means is that if Alonso had qualified p4 with drs the overtake on sainz could've been done on Leclerc, but in my opinion he maybe could have had a bad start so it's just hypotheticals. Regardless the Ferrari is still clearly on one lap the faster car.

[Alonsismo]

Alonso was past Sainz immediately after the SC, 1s behind Charles and had no one in between them, he had nearly 40 laps to do something.

is not the same situation.
if alonso started p4, he could have chased leclerc on the restart instead of sainz.

How did he lose 4sec while just behind LEC if he was so much faster?

he was putting preasure on leclerc and doing tyre management.
when he couldnt overtake lec on the first attempt, he left his car go to 3-4s to not deteriorate his tyres while waiting for the tyre deg to come for lec

[Alonsismo]

is not the same situation.
if alonso started p4, he could have chased leclerc on the restart instead of sainz.

How did he lose 4sec while just behind LEC if he was so much faster?

Alonso does this all the time. He creates a gap to create a space of clean air to degrade the tyres less, then attacks later. Leclerc knew this so he also conserved his tyres. What Alonsismo means is that if Alonso had qualified p4 with drs the overtake on sainz could've been done on Leclerc, but in my opinion he maybe could have had a bad start so it's just hypotheticals. Regardless the Ferrari is still clearly on one lap the faster car.

yes, i mean what you have said in your post

by the way, of course the things would have been different and Alonso could have made a bad restart, but with this different situation, the posibilities of battel with leclerc, are higher than starting P6

[dialtone]

is not the same situation.
if alonso started p4, he could have chased leclerc on the restart instead of sainz.

How did he lose 4sec while just behind LEC if he was so much faster?

Alonso does this all the time. He creates a gap to create a space of clean air to degrade the tyres less, then attacks later. Leclerc knew this so he also conserved his tyres. What Alonsismo means is that if Alonso had qualified p4 with drs the overtake on sainz could've been done on Leclerc, but in my opinion he maybe could have had a bad start so it's just hypotheticals. Regardless the Ferrari is still clearly on one lap the faster car.

didn't do that in Australia with Hamilton though, is this something he does only with Ferrari? Also you appear to be saying that Alonso made a mistake since he waited too much before starting to accelerate and gain back those 4 seconds to pass LEC at the end. Is this the interpretation you want to go with?

[AR3-GP]

Aren't we splitting hairs here? There really wasn't much between them. For your reference, Verstappen and Perez driving identical cars had a gap that grew to at most 4 seconds between them.

Doesn't that give some context?

Neither car was overwhelmingly quicker than the other.

[dialtone]

Aren't we splitting hairs here? There really wasn't much between them. For your reference, Verstappen and Perez driving identical cars had a gap that grew to at most 4 seconds between them.

Doesn't that give some context?

Neither car was overwhelmingly quicker than the other.

Yeah that's what I'm saying too. It's a bit different than saying that Alonso was going to pass had he not had to pass SAI at the 2nd corner of the restart that he couldn't pass LEC, which is laughable.

Saying that SAI was going to be the same as LEC for Alonso seems at minimum a simplification, especially considering SAI finished further behind LEC than LEC behind VER on the same car. Anyway at the end of the day what matters is LEC was 3rd, his engine didn't explode like last year, and in his hands the car is vastly better than in SAI's hands.

[AR3-GP]

Ferrari are still mystified by RB's DRS advantage:

There is one thing that drives Ferrari just as much as all the other teams. Why does Red Bull benefit so much from the DRS effect? As Perez and Verstappen flew past Leclerc, they comfortably cut back on the racing line before the braking point. Everyone else didn't even reach the same height. "We need to understand this, because it's a real competitive advantage," says Vasseur.

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[jumpingfish]

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So the ridge height increases when there is heavy fuel load. Don't think only rear and front wing upgrades will solve this. Seems like definitely need the suspension upgrade ASAP.

So in short, Ferrari is running a suspension which is quite stiff, however in Q they get to a point where they can extract the maximum from the car since they are running fast which increases downforce which lowers the car just right. With extra fuel, they can't run as fast, stiff suspension keeps the car higher then optimal and lap time is slower than usual.

With extra fuel weight you can certainly never get to the apex speed you have in Q, no matter how much you push. So, insufficient speed leads to excessive ride height leads to insufficient downforce leads to insufficient speed...

Have we seen at the end of the races, when the fuel tank is almost empty, that the sf23 starts to go noticeably better than when it was full? Assuming tyres were good enough at that moment ofc.

[dialtone]

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So the ridge height increases when there is heavy fuel load. Don't think only rear and front wing upgrades will solve this. Seems like definitely need the suspension upgrade ASAP.

So in short, Ferrari is running a suspension which is quite stiff, however in Q they get to a point where they can extract the maximum from the car since they are running fast which increases downforce which lowers the car just right. With extra fuel, they can't run as fast, stiff suspension keeps the car higher then optimal and lap time is slower than usual.

With extra fuel weight you can certainly never get to the apex speed you have in Q, no matter how much you push. So, insufficient speed leads to excessive ride height leads to insufficient downforce leads to insufficient speed...

Have we seen at the end of the races, when the fuel tank is almost empty, that the sf23 starts to go noticeably better than when it was full? Assuming tyres were good enough at that moment ofc.

That would be the quali lap.

[jambuka]

With the behavior of this car , the drivers should adopt the approach similar to Alonso. Preserve the tires till the fuel burns off and start attacking towards the end of the race when the fuel load starts becoming lighter. If only we had refueling like the old times.

[Vinlarr89]

Not sure it is the right approach. Doesn’t the Ferrari performance improve as it becomes lighter and more speed can be carried, increasing downforce and thus reducing the floor height. This meant that the Ferrari improved its performance significantly towards the end of the race and becomes less vulnerable to AM?

Happy to be corrected on this. Either way, I think it must be noted that leclerc is doing an epic job in the car, as the gap between the same car is massive. This is probably hiding some of the fragilities of the car, and without him Would be severely impacted in the race. Do think that it would be an epic battle between leclerc and Verstappen of Ferrari could get him a competitive car.

Friday will soon be here and we will see what upgrades are coming to Miami!!

[jambuka]

No news of what upgrades coming to Miami ? How do the Italian media haven’t gotten any source of what’s coming to Miami.

[scuderiabrandon]

No news of what upgrades coming to Miami ? How do the Italian media haven’t gotten any source of what’s coming to Miami.

https://www.gazzetta.it/motori/ferrari/ ... anno.shtml

[AR3-GP]

Happy to be corrected on this. Either way, I think it must be noted that leclerc is doing an epic job in the car, as the gap between the same car is massive. This is probably hiding some of the fragilities of the car, and without him Would be severely impacted in the race.

A driver can't make the car go faster than the physics of the car would allow. The more accurate thing to say is that Leclerc is able to extract 98-99% of the performance ability of the car. Sainz much less. So Leclerc's laptimes represent what the car is capable of. He's not "hiding" anything. He's simply extracting what is there to a higher degree than Sainz.